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"I guess the only constant in any society is change, isn't it. I'm pretty sure the yes vote will get up & the sky won't fall.
I'm much more worried about the social changes further down the track if moderate islamic thought gets pushed to the side."
so we wouldnt want anyone getting into power (govt) with alegiance to a foriegn country like a muslim country? so we wouldnt want to change our constitution to allow dual citizenship would we?
as to SSM debacle, i predict 12 months after the govt changes the laws to allow SSM it will be a non issue to 90% of aussies.
i'm sure there will be at least 10% of citizens will still be hiding under their kitchen tables waiting for the shy to fall.
@springyzone wrote:
@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:Why are gays so addement that they want to change the meaning of a word to suit their own purposes at the expense of the vast majority ?
How is it at the expense of the vast majority?
The reason they are so adamant, is for millenia they have been shoved into a dark closet, persecuted shunned. It is a new world coming.
Unless you're gay, how is the terminology hurtful or of an impact to you? That's what defines the haters, like the Alabamians vowing they would rather vote for a pedophile than a democrat.........pure unreasoning hate.
For some it may be about prejudice but for many others it isn't, it is about changing the current legal definition of marriage.
It's true that homosexual people have faced prejudice over different centuries & cultures, but the current gays haven't, they haven't been on earth that long & in fact I would say that right here/right now, is probably the best place gays have ever been in. That's not to say it is perfect & couldn't be improved, but compared to even a generation ago, it is a pretty good place.
Yes, it is a new world coming but be careful what we wish for. I see things as like a see saw that is hardly ever evenly balanced. It falls one way then there is a reaction and it tips back in the other direction a bit. We're seeing things tipping towards a breakdown of traditional sexual attitudes-maybe because sex & pregnancy don't have to go hand in hand now & in fact, people don't actually need kids for their future survival or for them to work on the farm etc
What I find interesting though is at the moment, world wide, we are also seeing the see saw moving from a very liberal Islamic view (typical in many places around 1970s,1980s) to a much more radical/fundamentalist view. The new wave of attitude is even moving over Indonesia.
I'm not saying all muslims are members of ISIS or any such thing, just that there is a more traditional attitude on the rise, a movement of the see saw. If muslim numbers here go up a lot (and they probably will, as muslims have a more traditional attitude to having family and it is more the norm to have 4 or more children), we may see a push for laws to change again and there's no reason why they wouldn't, to fall in line with community opinion.
It's ironic really as many who push the yes vote probably also push the open migration barrow but it may bounce back to bite them. In several countries in the Islamic world, gays have been thrown off rooftops.
I guess the only constant in any society is change, isn't it. I'm pretty sure the yes vote will get up & the sky won't fall.
I'm much more worried about the social changes further down the track if moderate islamic thought gets pushed to the side.
Very wise and thoughtful post springy.
