Scott Morrison

[freddie*rooster]

Is full of it, how can a Minister go on and on and on, for what about 3/4hr, repeating the same ole over and over again without answering the questions asked of him? All he done was repeat his "crystal clear" slogan when in fact nothing is crystal clear except his Government's failure to stop the boats, as per their election promise.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@tall_bearded wrote:

And as for appalling cruelty (a post on another threat) 

Let’s see. 

Three meals a day, a roof over your head, the right to worship as you please, a recreation centre and oh yes you can leave anytime you like and go anywhere you like, just not here, which pretty much encapsulates off shore processing.  Oh and in case you abject to the roof, spent 20 years in the military, a good portion of which was under canvas, and with far fewer facilities than there are one Manus. 

Now let compare that with an Indonesian prison cell, or a Russian prison, or a Chinese re-education camp, or a north Korean labour camp to name but a few.

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Wow! I'm impressed. When did you visit the Munus Island camp? Did you go as a welfare officer, medical officer, a guard or a journalist? May we see your pohotos? Did you speak to the detainees?  or is your information based  on the assurances of political advisors - the same ones who advised Scott Morrison about the riots?

[tall_bearded]

Old news.

Isn’t it a case she only witnessed the aftermath.  That is she didn’t actually see anything but simply repeating what she was told

I say again I will wait for the facts.  Not hearsay, innuendo, like the shoot to kill order

[boris1gary]

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@tall_bearded wrote:

“attempting to quell a protest”. Then add “weapons to punish rock throwing protesters.

So it was not a peaceful protest. 

And guess what, if you engage in violent protest there is a chance you may get hurt.

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Therefore the fact that 13 got hurt needs to be viewed in light of how violent was the protest (not yet know), how measured (or otherwise) was the response (not yet known).

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interesting article looking at where all this (new round of)  hatred and fear of asylum seekers began................

http://hazaraasylumseekers.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/julian-burnside-alienation-to-alien-nation/

Howard recognised that there were votes to be taken from One Nation if only he could make us fear the alien horde and position himself as our protector. It worked.

There is a story that I have on fair authority which shows clearly what was going on. Howard was about to enter the House of Representatives to deliver his speech explaining the government’s response to the Tampa. Jackie Kelly approached him in the lobby. She said that a lot of her constituents were deserting to One Nation. Howard waved his speech in front of her and said: “don’t worry – this will fix it”.

As most people thought at the time, the government’s response to the Tampa was purely political. Of course, Howard had a great run of good luck in 2001. His government refused to let the Tampa put its bedraggled cargo of rescued Hazaras ashore on Christmas Island; he cobbled together the Pacific Solution while the court case about Tampa continued. The judgment at first instance in the Tampa case was handed down at 2:15 Eastern Standard Time, on September 11, 2001. The result was not noticed in the newspapers next morning, because a group of Islamic extremists had attacked America.

From that moment, there were no terrorists but Muslim terrorists. There were no boat people but Muslim boat people, and although it was never clearly stated, all boat people were suspected terrorists – our worst nightmare. For those who did not see through the political opportunism, boat people were aliens to be feared.

Of course, if the true facts were understood, our response would have seemed rather odd. It did not suit the politicians to acknowledge that boat people were not illegal, that there was no queue, that they had not thrown their children overboard, and that they were trying to escape the same extremists we were so frightened of.

[tall_bearded]

News photos. 

Including the perimeter fence, it  looks like any other tentline in any of the numerous camps I spent time in whilst in service, with the exception that most didn’t have the hard standing and were closer to the equator and wetter.

But then I guess I shouldn’t have expect much more.  I was only serving my country.

[donnashuggy]

That is she didn’t actually see anything

Rubbish, she reported about the camp and the treatment of those inside the camp in detail.

3 meals and a roof over your head.......perhaps but there is much more to it.

[pct001wine]

Huge difference between voluntarily serving your country (unless you were Nasho) - and being remunerated for it - and the detention of these folk.   And your time under canvas at least had an end-game - you knew you would be "liberated" from these conditions at some time in the not-too-distant future, whereupon you could rejoin your community at large and have a nice ice-cold beer.

It's specious to compare the two.  

[boris1gary]

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@tall_bearded wrote:

March will be a fizzer.  Yes, we’ll see thousands maybe even a hundred thousand, but in the context of eligible voters as a whole, that number is so insignificant as to not warrant serious consideration.

As for blood on ones hands – just an attempt to add a little perspective. 

There was a riot.  One person died.  We do not yet know the full story, but the full story will come out, and when it does, I will make my decisions based on the totality of the information, and if that means a minister must resign so be it, but it will happen against the background of an opinion based on the facts and not hearsay, innuendo and just out and out plain bias and prejudice.

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"March will be a fizzer" so not waiting for the facts there then, is that "an opinion based on the facts and not hearsay, innuendo and just out and out plain bias and prejudice." or just wishful thinking.

[boris1gary]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@silverfaun wrote:

Why not take the Ministers word for the information he was given which he then repeated in the PARLIAMENT before taking the word of vested interests.

Children overboard, weapons of mass destruction, there will be no carbon tax: we have been lied to and mislead so consistently, by so many governments, over so many years, that we no longer believe we can take a politician's word on anything (watch his lips, if they're moving he's lying). Politics is a chess game - Game Of Thrones without the physical violence -and  the only thing we can confidently expect from our politicians is that if it suits their purpose they will mislead us  deceive us and even lie to us  in any way they see fit. 

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"vested interests" - i think i am finally beginning to understand that only the left, the progressive, the reformists, the compassionate, the poor, the working class, the unemployed, asylum seekers, any media that isn't owned by one of the filthy rich, advocates for any of the above, Trade Unions...probably forgot some suffer from this "vested interests" claim. 

[tall_bearded]

A fact which is the product of proper investigation and due process very rarely, if ever, is the product of wishful thinking.  But of course the process is quite slow, so I guess for some hearsay and innuendo will suffice.

As for the outcome, I don’t really care.  If the outcome is that the force used was measured and appropriate then well and good.  If the outcome is the response was over the top and the minister must go, so be it.  It is the process I’m advocating.  Not the outcome.

But I think at the end of the day the outcome will not be a clear cut as some would think.

For instance I have personally witnessed Middle Eastern asylum seeks routinely refer to Sudanese refugees and aboriginals as “Apes”.  Now if that is what was happening on Manus, this may go a long way to explain, what happened.  Note the use of the word explain - not excuse.

[tall_bearded]

We are taking about a specific event.  The protest, the riot or however else you want to refer to it

Yes, she was on the Island.  But she did not witness that event.  Instead all she was able to do was resite what she was told by others   – this is called hearsay.