on โ15-05-2015 01:42 PM
Brilliant.
Whether people support halal certification or not, there are lots of people with lots of concerns so its time to investigate it all.
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/bernardis-inquiry-into-food-certification-schemes-20150514-gh1c32.html
Here are the reasons i am against halal certification and the questions i want answered.
1. Why are the fees paid by businesses for halal certification kept secret? Why do the businesss have to sign non disclosure agreements?
2. Why are there 20+ privately run halal certification companies in Australia, all charging whatever amounts they want, when Indonesia only has 1 Government run halal certifier? If foods need to be halal certified, then let the Government run it and let the money go back into the whole Australian community.
3. For meat to be halal, the animal needs to be slaughtered a certain way, throat slit while animal is conscious by a Muslim. Yes, there are some abattoirs that use a reverse stun but, from what i have researched, there are at least 15 abattoirs in Australia that slaughter animals using no stun. It is barbaric. This video is very graphic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA
4. Australia is a predominantly Christian country, so why are we being forced to eat meat that has been prayed over to a "god" that we dont even recognise?
5. If halal certification is supposed to help Muslims recognise what they can and cant eat, then why do so many companies that pay for the certification stamp choose not to display it on their products?
6. Why are abattoirs paying a certification fee and then packing all the meat in one truck and delivering it to butchers and supermarkets who then put it all in the one fridge and display it all in the one display fridge. Once pork products are shelved, stored or transported with other meats, the other meats immediately become non halal anyway. So Aussie Muslims cant eat it anyway.
7. We are told halal certification monies goes towards to building of more mosques and Islamic schools. We know that there are quite a few mosques where the hatred of Australia is preached. As for Islamic schools, the same schools where a principal has said that girls are forbidden to run in races because it will cause them to lose their virginity. Do we need schools like that here?
8. In Canada halal certification money was found to be used to fund organisations linked to extremist organisations. I have no doubt that would be happening here as well.
9. Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.
So, what would i like to see? Id like halal certification to be a Government run organisation. Id like every business who pays for halal certification to have to display the stamp on their products. I want all Australian abattoirs to stun before killing. That would be a nice start
on โ27-05-2015 10:24 AM
@wayward216 wrote:
Actually Debra on closer inspection your link appears more about hotels that just serve Kosher food rather than the entire hotel being certified Halal such as what crescent do.
http://www.crescentrating.com/
I don't know wayward here's another link on Kosher holidays
http://www.exploringtourism.com/kosher-tourism/
there are Halal holidays and Kosher holidays, It's all the same to me
โ27-05-2015 12:39 PM - edited โ27-05-2015 12:40 PM
no, even that one is still just about food Debra?
A fully certified halal hotel would have no alcohol or would have specific alcohol free areas or Muslim only areas, it would have prayer rooms, quran in the room, only play acceptable music, etc etc, along with Halal food. Not that I would defend religious certification of any hotel or accomodation as I think the entire concept is nonsense, but I certainly haven't seen any kosher certification that extends to anywhere near the level halal certification does when it comes to tourism.
โ27-05-2015 12:55 PM - edited โ27-05-2015 12:56 PM
it says in that last link that all the holiday accommodation is within walking distance to synagogues...
the religions have some differences , however there is both Halal and kosher tourism, which is the main point isn't it??
I also found this economic report on kosher certification
http://business.inquirer.net/130919/exporters-urged-to-tap-global-kosher-market
Filipino food exporters are urged to tap the huge opportunities presented by the multibillion-dollar global kosher market, which is reportedly growing by 15 percent a year.
According to the Philippine Exporters Confederation Inc. (Philexport), exploring the kosher food market will allow local exporters to diversify their markets and boost their revenues.
Kosher refers to food that conform to the regulations of kashrut or Jewish dietary law.
Joel Weinberger, president of international kosher inspector PS Kosher Food Works Inc., was quoted by Philexport as saying that the โPhilippines has a lot of room to grow and has a lot of opportunities.โ
Philippine food products that were said to have great growth potential in the kosher market include coconut-based products, dried fruits, fruit jams and fishery products like tuna and some sardines.
Citing a report by Mintel consumer research, Weinberger said that sales of kosher food in the United States alone, which already comprise a third of the worldwide market, totaled $12.65 billion.
Apart from the United States, which has a large Jewish population, Weinberger said that Europe, particularly France and United Kingdom, Israel and Russia, were significant markets for kosher products.
on โ27-05-2015 01:22 PM
@wayward216 wrote:
Actually Debra on closer inspection your link appears more about hotels that just serve Kosher food rather than the entire hotel being certified Halal such as what crescent do.
http://www.crescentrating.com/
Crescent do not certify an "entire hotel". Sheesh - talk about your reading being skewed by personal bias.
It's a marketing webiste that helps people attract a niche audience. They don't "certify" anything. They simply provide a score rating for destinations that are halal friendly and provide private accreditation to hotels, tour operators etc.
A bit like the myriad of marketing agencies that exist to help hotels attract the gay market.
Or a bit like...the Michelin Guide but for Muslim tourists instead of cash happy diners..
*...rolls eyes...*
on โ27-05-2015 01:25 PM
@wayward216 wrote:no, even that one is still just about food Debra?
A fully certified halal hotel would have no alcohol or would have specific alcohol free areas or Muslim only areas, it would have prayer rooms, quran in the room, only play acceptable music, etc etc, along with Halal food. Not that I would defend religious certification of any hotel or accomodation as I think the entire concept is nonsense, but I certainly haven't seen any kosher certification that extends to anywhere near the level halal certification does when it comes to tourism.
Ridiculous assumptions.
Where on their website is there a hotel that has "religious CERTIFICATION"?
Give an example of a "fully certified hotel".
on โ27-05-2015 01:26 PM
@wayward216 wrote:Kosher applies to Food, Halal certification applies to all things 'permissible', which is almost everything. So outside of food halal certification applies to real estate, finance, fashion, media, pharmaceuticals, communication etc etc etc.
Big difference between halal and Kosher.
The big difference is that one is Jewish, the other Muslim.
Halal Cerification applies to food, just as Kosher certification applies to food.
That is the subject of the enquiry.
Hotels and resorts that claim Kosher or Halal certification are certified kitchens.
I see no problem with it.
on โ27-05-2015 01:31 PM
You've got to wonder about a person who can take simple facts and then misread then, twist them and regurgutate them into in a mangled form so far from reality or common sense...
on โ27-05-2015 03:21 PM
Hi everyone, the discussion is getting a little heated. Please be sure to keep your communications civil. Thanks!
on โ27-05-2015 05:18 PM
I need a martini, sorry am I biased or were you describing yourself? I'm an Atheist, not sure about biased but feel free to prove you're not biased against Atheism or Sikhism beliefs? I suspect you can't.
Crescent do certify entire hotels, it is their highest level of certification.
Criteria:
1: Only Halal food on the entire premises (which excludes the sale of alcohol)
2: All of the following - Prayer facility, list of local mosques, knowledge of prayer times and directions, prayer mats or prayer tables, Qiblah marked in rooms (locater for Mecca)
3: Additional Ramadan specic requirements - transport to and from local Mosques, meals for Suhoor and Ifthar.
4: Does not offer any nightclubs or casinos, no adult television, seperate saunas, pool and gym fascilities for men and women.
In order to be certified not only does the Hotel need to provide this, but they also need to pay annual certification and audit fees.
'rolls eyes'
โ27-05-2015 05:22 PM - edited โ27-05-2015 05:26 PM
No, this is separate to the inquiry. This was just about my comment that halal certification extends well beyond food which a few here didn't believe. We now know Halal Certification does extend beyond food and to a much lessor degree so does kosher.