Shopping centres allowing smoking at entrances

[ufo_investigations]

We all know what the effects of passive smoking are and yet in 2013 you can't access any major shopping centre entrance without passing through cigarette smoke.

Today, at a major shopping centre in Melbourne we endured cigarette smoke whilst entering and leaving the complex. A cigarette tray was affixed next to a doorway (supplied by the shopping centre). This was 1 metre away from a doorway and 1 metre away from a pedestrian zebra crossing which leads to the entrance. How ridiculous is this?  Young children, pregnant women and elderly use the crossing to enter the complex including my wife and I. Shopping centres are private property and they can ban smoking on their land if they want to but they have not. Why not?

50 metres away there was a childrens playground with smoking permitted on the fenceline. How ridiculous is this?

The sign read "No smoking within 5 metres".   Which means smoking is permitted as much you like after 5 metres. Guess what? The fenceline of the playground is after the 5 metres. Silly or what?

Next time you visit your shopping centre please observe these silly ashtrays next to doorways and make yourself heard. I have reported this to centre management and will continue to do so until it is changed. Please do the same.

[b3llag1na]

I'm an asthmatic and react worse to deodorant sprays than anything else.

Followed by some perfumes ( usually the stonger scented ones) 

and then cigarette smoke - depending how thick it is....

Here they try to hunt the smokers away from the mall entrance - they have taken to playing fairly loud classical music there to deter people from congregating in the doorway, this has had a good result in that both the deros and the smokers tend to keep clear 

[windrake]

100% agree about deodorant and perfumes that punch you in the face, like Poison, Shalimar and lou lou. They were awful but the old lady deodorant is the worst.

 Maybe we should ban all smells, but if asthmatic I'd stay away from swimming pools and Chlorine.

Ciggie smoke doesn't bother me and I hate the way the poor smokers are demonized. Druggies aren't persecuted like smokers are, they get free needles, injecting rooms, sharps disposable bins and free Synthetic heroin and free rehab.

At least smokers don't burgle your home for their next fix.. I am a non smoker in case you're interested.

[punch*drunk]

I think they should have smoking areas at hospitals. People are often under stress and in hospital unexpectedly and denying them their ciggies at a bad time is a bit cruel I think. The stress of a heavy smoker not being able to light up wouldnt help with getting better in many cases.

*clearly there are exceptions for certain conditions, heart surgery, strokes etc.

My uncle was perfectly healthy (he thought) one day, and the next was diagnosed with stage 3 lung, abdomen and brain cancer and given 6 weeks to live. Clearly no point giving up the **bleep**s at that stage, so we had to wheel him through half the hospital, down a few levels and out the front doors every couple of hours. You just wouldnt think it would be that hard to allocate them a small area on each floor where they could sit and have a quiet smoke without every hospital visitor walking past and glaring at them.

[i-once-was-bump]

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@monman12 wrote:

U_I: " We all know what the effects of passive smoking are"

Do we (you)?

There is NO clear link between passive smoking and lung cancer, scientists claim

Scientists from Stanford University claim only people living with a smoker for over 30 years might be more likely to develop lung cancer.   The research, which studied 76,000 women, adds to a body of evidence that argues there is no link between second-hand smoke and lung cancer.

"Between 1959 and 1989 two American researchers named James Enstrom and Geoffrey Kabat surveyed no few than 118,094 Californians. Fierce anti-smoking campaigners themselves, they began the research because they wanted to prove once and for all what a pernicious, socially damaging habit smoking was. Their research was initiated by the American Cancer Society and supported by the anti-smoking Tobacco Related Disease Research Program.

At least it was at first. But then something rather embarrassing happened. Much to their surprise, Kabat and Enstrom discovered that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ie passive smoking), no matter how intense or prolonged, creates no significantly increased risk of heart disease or lung cancer.

Thw WHO concluded in 1998 after a seven-year study that the correlation between "passive smoking" and lung cancer was not "statistically significant." A 2002 report by the Greater London Assembly agreed. So too did an investigation by the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee."

U_I,  the vehicles passing  over "your" zebra crossing, and next to the school,  will be causing more harm  from their exhaust pollution than  that from smokers in the open.

nɥºɾ

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OK you light up a cigarette near me and I will show you what the smoke does to me, you might want to wear a plastic poncho because projectile vomit and asthma are a bit messy.

I don't vomit at pedrestrian crossings so it must be something to do with the cars not having a giant ciggie poking out their exhaust.

At my local shopping centre the whole bus area is undercover and their is no smoking anywhere on the property owned by the shopping centre but lots still smoke, no security guards ever visit the bus area.

The local hospital has had smoking banned anywhere on their land and it has been in for many years and you see people wheeled out of the coronary care unit and pushed around a corner to have a smoke with drips and machines attached. (My neighbour had the misfortune of being wheeled out when I was visiting a friend. and I promise they will never hear the end of it every time they get the taxi with red and blue falshing lights and siren to take them to hospital)

I had to threaten the local hospital with lawsuits, ACA or TT doing a story to make them stop people arriving in ambulances having to be wheeled between smokers. When someone is dying right before your eyes the last thing you want is to follow their stretcher between 7 or 8 people who are supposed to be so sick they need to be admitted to hospital yet can stand out in the ambulance arrival area.

[windrake]

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@monman12 wrote:

U_I: " We all know what the effects of passive smoking are"

Do we (you)?

There is NO clear link between passive smoking and lung cancer, scientists claim

Scientists from Stanford University claim only people living with a smoker for over 30 years might be more likely to develop lung cancer.   The research, which studied 76,000 women, adds to a body of evidence that argues there is no link between second-hand smoke and lung cancer.

"Between 1959 and 1989 two American researchers named James Enstrom and Geoffrey Kabat surveyed no few than 118,094 Californians. Fierce anti-smoking campaigners themselves, they began the research because they wanted to prove once and for all what a pernicious, socially damaging habit smoking was. Their research was initiated by the American Cancer Society and supported by the anti-smoking Tobacco Related Disease Research Program.

At least it was at first. But then something rather embarrassing happened. Much to their surprise, Kabat and Enstrom discovered that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ie passive smoking), no matter how intense or prolonged, creates no significantly increased risk of heart disease or lung cancer.

Thw WHO concluded in 1998 after a seven-year study that the correlation between "passive smoking" and lung cancer was not "statistically significant." A 2002 report by the Greater London Assembly agreed. So too did an investigation by the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee."

U_I,  the vehicles passing  over "your" zebra crossing, and next to the school,  will be causing more harm  from their exhaust pollution than  that from smokers in the open.

nɥºɾ

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A great informative post mm. Frankly I'm fedup with all the junk data parroted endlessly by people who have an axe to grind.

[i-once-was-bump]

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@imastawka wrote:

There is NO clear link between passive smoking and lung cancer, scientists claim

Not at all what I was talking about.    I have emphysema and do not

want to walk through clouds of smoke where I find it difficult to breathe.

I don't stand there wondering if I'm going to get cancer from passive smoking.

I would just like my airspace not to be contaminated while I fight to breathe

through it

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So excessive perfume wouldn't do you much good either. Shame that isn't banned from shopping centres.

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I would like to see perfume banned from everywhere, it is not necessary but causes allergies to so many.

Red Door causes more allergic reastions than any other perfume on the market (so says my immunologist) so could we please get rid of it for starters?

[i-once-was-bump]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

I think they should have smoking areas at hospitals. People are often under stress and in hospital unexpectedly and denying them their ciggies at a bad time is a bit cruel I think. The stress of a heavy smoker not being able to light up wouldnt help with getting better in many cases.

*clearly there are exceptions for certain conditions, heart surgery, strokes etc.

My uncle was perfectly healthy (he thought) one day, and the next was diagnosed with stage 3 lung, abdomen and brain cancer and given 6 weeks to live. Clearly no point giving up the **bleep**s at that stage, so we had to wheel him through half the hospital, down a few levels and out the front doors every couple of hours. You just wouldnt think it would be that hard to allocate them a small area on each floor where they could sit and have a quiet smoke without every hospital visitor walking past and glaring at them.

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But when he was wheeled back to his room he would have been really smelly and that is not fair on other patients or visitors.

There are enough "natural" smells without adding the stench of stale cigarette smokers.

[ten*teeny*tiny*toes]

I'd have to say that some of those natural smells offend me more than the mere whiff/ stench of a passing smoker.

[punch*drunk]

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@i-once-was-bump wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

I think they should have smoking areas at hospitals. People are often under stress and in hospital unexpectedly and denying them their ciggies at a bad time is a bit cruel I think. The stress of a heavy smoker not being able to light up wouldnt help with getting better in many cases.

*clearly there are exceptions for certain conditions, heart surgery, strokes etc.

My uncle was perfectly healthy (he thought) one day, and the next was diagnosed with stage 3 lung, abdomen and brain cancer and given 6 weeks to live. Clearly no point giving up the **bleep**s at that stage, so we had to wheel him through half the hospital, down a few levels and out the front doors every couple of hours. You just wouldnt think it would be that hard to allocate them a small area on each floor where they could sit and have a quiet smoke without every hospital visitor walking past and glaring at them.

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But when he was wheeled back to his room he would have been really smelly and that is not fair on other patients or visitors.

There are enough "natural" smells without adding the stench of stale cigarette smokers.

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Theres a percentage of people that smoke, hospital staff, visitors and patients. They will smoke whether we non smokers like it or not and they will therefore smell whether we non smokers like it or not. I find I have to be pretty close to a smoker before the smell is really obvious, bad breath is often more offensive than cigarette smell.

Its preferable to me that they put aside an area that is easier for the smokers and doesnt affect the non smokers so much.

In an ideal world, I would love it if smoking was non existant. My uncle wasnt the first family member I lost to smoking and he certainly wont be the last 😞

[i-once-was-bump]

I too have lost family members to smoking and one thing they have said is that it is really hard to give up smoking when another patient is going outside to have a ciggie and then comes back into the room. Nurses at least use breath freshener or mints and they should not smell of cigarettes if they have a patient trying to stop smoking.

Your uncle might have only had 6 weeks but someone else might have 3 years so they want to give up and having smokers around apparently makes it a lot harder.