Should They Be Deported?

[lyhargr_0]

www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/tamil-asylum-seeker-children-constantly-crying-on-christmas-island-2...

My head says yes but my heart says no

[martinw-48]

Virtually everyone receiving the Newstart allowance has a wage subsidy available for their employer if they get a job

[chameleon54]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
Virtually everyone receiving the Newstart allowance has a wage subsidy available for their employer if they get a job

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Sounds like a total rort to me when a business sacks its entire casual workforce ( making them unemployed ) to employ new migrants who are eligible for tax payer funded wage subsidies.

Another point not recognised or it seems, understood by most forum posters is that the new arrivals are often prepared to work many hours of undeclared / unpaid employment, undercutting Australia's award system. This problem is particularly prevalent in low skilled / minimum pay situations such as the servo mentioned and hospitality industry, further damaging and eroding the position of Australia's existing most vulnerable, low income workers.

If forum posters showed some genuine concern and passion for the most vulnerable in Australian society, as opposed to simple political posturing, they would at least be honest with themselves and others about the effects of our current migration policies on those who will be most impacted by immigration. .That is the low income renters living in outer suburbs of our big cities, the homeless who are competing with new arrivals for very limited government and church run public housing and those existing Australians who are currently facing the greatest exploitation by bosses in casual, low paid, unskilled work situations. 

Lets have the discussion, but leave the blatant politicising behind and try to be genuine, realistic and honest about it.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Damned if they do and damned if they don't eh? If migrants get a job, they're taking someone's livelihood away or if they don't they're rorting the welfare system.
If you read my previous post you'd note that it's not just migrants that qualify for subsidies. The rorting (underpaying of workers) is undertaken by Australian businesses.Blame them,not migrants.

[martinw-48]

It's the Governments fault that wage subsidies are rorted.
I've been employed three times because of wage subsidies and although I get some more money for six months it actually doesn't help me at all because I go back to being on the Newstart and having to get help from Vinnie's and go back to having either food to eat or money for bills but not both.
If the Government offered no subsidies people would get real jobs.
In 2015 I worked for Baimbridge College for six months
Was treated like **bleep** by the Deputy Principal the whole six months because I was his free worker.
That somehow because they weren't paying my wage I didn't require any respect.
Then after the six months he said "you can always keep working for free" and laughed his guts out.
These programs are meant to make unemployed people feel better about themselves and encourage them to seek full employment.
Thankfully I'm such a pessimist that I'm able to handle nothing going my way because I know it won't but imagine the damage that this does to people with no life experience
So in conclusion this shyte is fully political because politicians created this shyte.
I didn't create this shyte I'm just swimming in it
Both my parents are immigrants so blame shift all you want onto immigrants but the politicians created this shyte sandwich

[chameleon54]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Damned if they do and damned if they don't eh? If migrants get a job, they're taking someone's livelihood away or if they don't they're rorting the welfare system.
If you read my previous post you'd note that it's not just migrants that qualify for subsidies. The rorting (underpaying of workers) is undertaken by Australian businesses.Blame them,not migrants.

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You still haven't acknowledged or addressed the key problem.  New arrivals are understandably desperate for work and unfamiliar with Australians employment system. This means they are regularly exploited by working many unpaid hours and often working for less than award wages. This problem is even worse in the cash economy where many of the new arrivals work, whilst also receiving social security benefits. Having very large numbers of immigrants breaks down our wage structure affecting existing Australians who can least afford it.

Both sides of politics have a vested interest in allowing very high numbers of migrants into the country. For Labor & the Greens it is about posturing to their relatively wealthy, unionised ( often public service ) workers who can sit at their latest international flavoured cafe drinking cheap Lattes served by exploited workers. Poorer Labor supporters are often " rusted on " and believe any twaddle that the party spins without question. New migrants are a great source of votes for Labor as its ( supposed ) more progressive social policies suit them. ie. Bring in more migrants and you bring in more Labor voters.

For the Liberals its all about braking down the safety mechanisms in our award wages structure and providing cheap workers  for their mates in business. The closer the current Liberals can get us to the U.S system of exploitation of workers and breakdown of social policy, the happier they will be.

What would genuinely benefit the citizens already living in the country is a lower, more targeted migration policy, that focuses on what skills new arrivals bring, ( rather than family re-union etc. )  along with a sensible, compassionate refuge program that accepts a number of GENUINE refugees and quickly deports the others such as the family in the OP who are trying to exploit our refugee program

Problem is neither side of politics will tell you this, and too many people just blindly follow along behind their red, green or blue masters, never questioning, thinking or caring about the REAL consequences of the policies they propose.

[chameleon54]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
It's the Governments fault that wage subsidies are rorted.

Both my parents are immigrants so blame shift all you want onto immigrants but the politicians created this shyte sandwich

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We are all either migrants or descended from migrants. Even the Aborigines where originally boat people.Your heritage has nothing to do with it.

Its really very simple. If we continue to bring in huge numbers of extra people into the country, just to prop up the giant pontzie scheme of continuous growth, we will continue to damage our environment and further exploit and damage the most vulnerable people in society. The winners will be greedy bosses and wealthy Latte drinkers who can move far enough away from the problems not to be affected, except when their cheap Lattes are served by exploited poor workers.

Migration favours the wealthy and exploits the poor.

[martinw-48]

Capatilism favours the wealthy and exploits the poor.
The Coalition favours the wealthy and exploits the poor.
Corporatisation favours the wealthy and exploits the poor
Every business favours the wealthy and exploits the poor

[martinw-48]

The judicial system favours the wealthy.
The poor favour the wealthy and exploit the poor the wealthy favour the wealthy and exploit the poor
The military favours the wealthy and exploits the poor
Everything favours the wealthy and exploits the poor
What is your point?

[chameleon54]

My point is that politicians ( and forum posters ) who support a large immigration policy are actively encouraging and enabling the exploitation of the poor and vulnerable in Australia.

Charity begins at home.Once we have housed all of our own homeless people, found jobs for all of our unemployed and underemployed who genuinely want to work, solved the problems of educational and social disadvantage of indiginous Australians, sorted out the mess of the NDIS and set up environmentaly sustainable water and energy systems.......... then we can start to think about saving the rest of the world and bringing their problems to our shores..

[chameleon54]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
The judicial system favours the wealthy.
The poor favour the wealthy and exploit the poor the wealthy favour the wealthy and exploit the poor
The military favours the wealthy and exploits the poor
Everything favours the wealthy and exploits the poor
What is your point?

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PS... Martin is that your own work ???............. Absolute gold....