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martinw-48
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Yes, everything that I've observed
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@*kazumi* wrote:

 

 

The problem with farmers is that we were told for decades the climate is changing; we were warned that we will have longer droughts, more severe storms, and fires of such intensity we will not know how to fight and many farmers just dismissed the warnings.  Giving money to them now will not do anything for long term solution.  We were warned  that if we do not take action it will cost us big, and it is starting to cost us big, yet out government as well as the the US government are still in denial. 


Kazumi,.......... in light of your post above I thought you may be interested to see how Australian farmers are really responding to climate change. The link below is to a popular farmers machinery trading site. If you look at the photos of the seeders for sale, you will see the press wheels on the back which leave a furrow over the seed to collect moisture and also the knife points ( tynes ) which cut a narrow slit in the soil for seed placement. Another feature of modern seeding equipment is that the tynes are spaced widely apart. This is to handle the mulched stubble left on the soil surface from the previous harvest. If you look at the various adverts you will probably find a few for old style combine seeders, with a long box over the tynes.. The differences are absolutely remarkable and show the extreme changes that farmers are already making to the way they sow crops. 

 

Rather than being denialists and lagards, Australian farmers are way ahead of the rest of Australian society when it comes to adapting to changing climatic conditions. They have to be. Unlike city people, farmers are at the pointy end of climate change and their livelihood depends on rapid research and adoption of new technologies.

 

While the rest of the country has meetings and does research and discusses scientific papers and and holds protest meetings, Australian farmers have quietly been making real, physical, radical changes to the way they operate. They have completely revolutionised their systems and production methods to the extent that other countries are looking to Australian farmers for answers to food production in the face of climate change.

 

http://www.farmclearingsales.com.au/private-sales/section/?cid=7

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"Rather than being denialists and lagards, Australian farmers are way ahead of the rest of Australian society when it comes to adapting to changing climatic conditions. They have to be. Unlike city people, farmers are at the pointy end of climate change and their livelihood depends on rapid research and adoption of new technologies."

Some do and believe it or not, climate change also affects those that live in cities.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/05/global-deforestation-hotspot-3m-hectares-of-aust...




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Plenty of farmers are still doing exactly as their great great great grandfather and haven't adopted any modern farming practices besides having a tractor
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@martinw-48 wrote:
Plenty of farmers are still doing exactly as their great great great grandfather and haven't adopted any modern farming practices besides having a tractor

There may still be a few like this in the hobby farmer / peri urban areas but it would be a rare occurrence on real farms. The truth is they simply would not survive financially if they farmed that way. ( and maybe they are the struggling ones being featured on current news stories )

 

My remote farm is 250 km. from my wet coastal country. It is right on the boundary of farmed land with unsettled / un-farmed desert only 10 km. from my farm boundary. Being so close to arid desert it was one of the first regions to feel the effects of climate change, with changes in vegetation and seasons quite obvious to keen nature observers 20 years ago.

 

I could see these changes taking place and it was one of the reasons I decided to purchase land in one of the wettest areas of South Australia over a decade ago and pack up the family and move to a cooler climate on the coast. Essentially I am probably one of the first farmers to actually move due to climate change.

 

 There is still a vibrant farming community out on the border of the arid desert country with large cropping operations. They have expanded in size into multi-million dollar operations and are successfully making higher profits and growing better crops now than twenty years ago. The higher yields are being achieved on noticeably shorter growing seasons and less growing season rainfall. All of this is down to the way they have adopted new technologies and crop varieties, completely transforming the way they farm.

 

Like all things, the current drought has become politicised ( NSW / QLD focused NATIONAL PARTY ) and provides dramatic story lines and footage for the tabloid TV and radio media. ( PM standing in a dry, dusty dam bed, dust blowing from his hand......:Farmer feeding hay from back of ute to hungry cows etc. )   There are many areas of S.A that are being hit just as seriously by the drought as N.S.W and Queensland, but they are not being visited by the PM. featuring in the news or getting million dollar grants for their councils. In fact you would not even know there is a drought in large parts of S.A

 

South Australian farmers are just getting on with it, plugging away without any support, relying instead on their own drought preparedness and the modern farming techniques to get them through.  

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martinw-48
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I live in the country.
South western Victoria
I see some farmers ploughing their fields when everyone else around them is direct drilling and it's the same Canola or such crops.
I'm no farmer but even I know that ploughing destroys the soil structure and kills vital microbiology.
Plus you see the very fine sediments just blowing away.
Is it because they can't afford the modern equipment or is it just blind faith in outdated practices.
How can you as a farmer sit in your tractor ploughing your field and not notice that you're the only one still doing that when you can quite obviously see your neighbours fields with the stuble protecting the seedlings from frost and the like.
Some still burn off but the majority don't.
Are these farmers blind.
Arrogant or scared.
I witnessed one farm that grows Canola.
Cut down a strip of native vegetation on his land right along the fence line.
Bulldoze it all into a heap.
I now notice a lot of standing water where this native vegetation was and very sick Canola plants without flowers and patches where it's too wet for the Canola to grow at all.
So all that native vegetation was removed for nothing.
The homes of a myriad of native creatures destroyed in the hopes of a few more dollars for something that isn't even a healthy product to consume.
Canola (actually Rape seed) oil is probably toxic due to requiring bleaching agents and deodorising agents in order to be consumed because it oxidises immediately upon being squeezed to extract the oil.
Farmers need to share the land not just kill everything native because it doesn't make them money.
Image if every human being killed everything that didn't make them money.
Thing is you can't talk for all farmers.
They are not all doing the right thing
Just as I'm only one voice.
I only speak for myself and ultimately so do you
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martinw-48
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Anyway back on topic.
Does anyone know what the current status is?
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@martinw-48 wrote:
Anyway back on topic.
Does anyone know what the current status is?

I was thinking the same thing. If another certain poster wants to take a dig at me for being a drought affected farmer, they should probably at least start another thread to do it.....Man Wink

 

Over and out for farming talk on this thread..........Man Happy

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I see that as well, could be cause we live in the same area lol

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@martinw-48 wrote:
Anyway back on topic.
Does anyone know what the current status is?

Far as I know the ( soon to be rich ) lawyers are still preparing their case

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