Should global warming be a hush topic when there are severe bushfires?

[donnashuggy]

I don't think so, what do others think?

[monman12]

P7: "Contrails come from planes- and dissipate within minutes usually, longest take up to about 20 mins to dissipate has been occuring since the invention of the jet plane and nothing to worry about.

Chemtrails - come from planes - take hours to slowly 'spread' and as the word suggests contain chemicals.....barium, strontium, aluminium to name a few often used. Chemrailing is becoming more and more common.

" I was an airforce brat. I grew up living on airbases." And I bet you never heard any of that nonsense from those experienced in flight operations.

You possibly might also know then P7 the total amount of personnel required to mount any form of air operation, ie there would be no way of keeping this nonsense theory secret.

"Contrails come from planes- and dissipate within minutes usually, longest take up to about 20 mins to dissipate". You obviously  know nothing about cloud physics or atmospheric physics, because that is complete nonsense. A contrail is in effect a man made cirrus cloud, and how long it persists,  and spreads,  is dependant upon the atmospheric conditions where the jet  emits it exhaust. This can last from seconds to many hours,  and in the case of the latter  the exhaust ice crystals  can initiate formation of local cirrus cloud formation.,

If  I was an evil  chemtrailer, I would settle for night flying spraying operations rather than advertise what I was doing, and I would make a point of selecting evil chemicals that did not have the same reflective index, refractive index, colour, and atmospheric dispersal rate as that of  ice crystals.

nɥºɾ

[fourandsixpants]

ref. your sugg to watch video showing supposed "bush fires" .... out in the middle of the top end of West Aust

I respond with State of Western Australia in mind:

http://www.haarp.net/    ....."HAARP....

Be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area ...?

[fourandsixpants]

....in regards to contrails dispersing, I did say "usually'.....no need to froth at the mouth and go zombie on me monman

No-one is or has accused you of engaging in chemtrailing activities monman......or do you have something you are 'busting' to tell? 

[fourandsixpants]

http://www.staticbrain.com/archive/haarp-weather-modification-for-weather-warfare/

http://amunaor.wordpress.com/2012/11/01/%EF%BB%BFweather-force-multiplier-owning-weather-by-2025/

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJlquyCHAMW40y_f_ACnkMjTEMKJEFM0u

http://ufohunterorguk.com/category/haarpsuperdarnweather-modification/

H.A.A.R.P in Australia    https://www.google.com.au/#q=HAARP+in+Australia ......... take your pick from About 2,420,000 results

H.A.A.R.P. in Australia in 2013   https://www.google.com.au/#q=haarp+in+australia+2013 ...About 2,610,000 results

yep!....I must go and polish up my tin foil hat now (sarc)

[fourandsixpants]

or these images your ref

Watch this 30 seconds video:  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/NPP/news/earth-at-night.html "This new global view and animation of Earth's city lights is a composite assembled from data acquired by the Suomi NPP satellite. The data was acquired over nine days in April 2012 and 13 days in October 2012. It took 312 orbits to get a clear shot of every parcel of Earth's land surface and islands. This new data was then mapped over existing Blue Marble imagery of Earth to provide a realistic view of the planet."

Have a good look at Australia, see all the lights in areas where there is nothing?  They are wild fires.  They are being started by dry lightning and burn out sometimes considerable areas.  So yes those people who want to say  fires have always been here, they are right, BUT the  severe fires along the coast are getting hotter and more frequent.  It used to be one in 20 years or so, now we are having one or 2 or 3 bad ones just about every year.

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may not be 'bush fires'......http://mylogicoftruth.wordpress.com/h-a-a-r-p-human-made-disasters/ 

......"HAARP’s Glowing Artificial Plasma Clouds Revealed In New Navy Photos

Monday, February 25, 2013 10:20

(Before It’s News)

U.S. Naval Research Laboratory research physicists and engineers from the Plasma Physics Division, working at the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) transmitter facility, Gakona, Alaska, successfully produced a sustained high density plasma cloud in Earth’s upper atmosphere. “Previous artificial plasma density clouds have lifetimes of only ten minutes or less,” said Paul Bernhardt, Ph.D., NRL Space Use and Plasma Section. “This higher density plasma ‘ball’ was sustained over one hour by the HAARP transmissions and was extinguished only after termination of the HAARP radio beam.

“Sequence of images of the glow plasma discharge produced with transmissions at the third electron gyro harmonic using the HAARP HF transmitter, Gakona, Alaska. The third harmonic artificial glow plasma clouds were obtained with HAARP using transmissions at 4.34 megahertz (MHz). The resonant frequency yielded green line (557.7 nanometer emission) with HF on November 12, 2012, between the times of 02:26:15 to 02:26:45 GMT."....

[monman12]

P7: "....in regards to contrails dispersing, I did say "usually'.....no need to froth at the mouth and go zombie on me monman"

Actually P7 you wrote: "and dissipate within minutes usually, longest take up to about 20 mins to dissipate" which is totally incorrect.  as contrails can last some hours and also  permanently morph into a cirrus cloud formation under the appropriate atmospheric conditions at the jet exhaust altitude.

P7: "No-one is or has accused you of engaging in chemtrailing activities monman." Anybody with a little practical aeronautical knowledge  is hardly likely to, as there is no such thing P7.

I will repeat: " If  I was an evil  chemtrailer, I would settle for night flying spraying operations rather than advertise what I was doing, and I would make a point of selecting evil chemicals that did not have the same reflective index, refractive index, colour, and atmospheric dispersal rate as that of  ice crystals. '

Regarding HAARP, as you do not appreciate atmospheric physics, or common sense appropos spraying your supposed chemtrails in broad daylight, I would hesitate to discuss temporary excitation of the ionosphere as a means to achieve advanced communications.  I even know a tiny amount about the precursor to HAARP: Forward Scatter ( used extensively by the military)  wherein one aspect of it relied upon the ionized trails of meteors to improve the strength of the scattering.  in HAARP the  ionisation is achieved by  narrow-band high power HF.

However, this sums up those  who continue to play the HAARP conspiracy waltz:

"HAARP has been blamed by conspiracy theorists for a range of events, including numerous natural disasters, outbreaks, global warming, global cooling, volcanoes, even assassinations of individuals. Commentators and scientists say that proponents of these theories are "uninformed" as most theories put forward fall well outside the abilities of the facility and often outside the scope of natural science and defy physics."

 nɥºɾ

[fourandsixpants]

monman, in answer to your comments, I also dare to repeat myself:

H.A.A.R.P in Australia    https://www.google.com.au/#q=HAARP+in+Australia ......... take your pick from About 2,420,000 results

H.A.A.R.P. in Australia in 2013   https://www.google.com.au/#q=haarp+in+australia+2013 ...About 2,610,000 results

I am not a conspiracy theorist.

I am scientifically informed.

I know the difference between contrails and chemtrails and the effects of ice crystals etc

I grew up living on air force bases-at times in housing right on the edge of the designated airfield. My father was air crew......I saw and witnessed contrails and their differences for years.

I am interested in weather patterns, cloud formations amongst other things, rain patterns, water - rain and natural and man-made groundwater sources.

......I see chemtrailing, above my head every week- what I see is not contrails, what I am seeing and witnessing is chemtrailing.

I have not stated 'when' these contrails are made/laid .....you make out through your derisory comments that I have.

Deride and 'attack' me at will but this is not going to change the truth about what is happening regards Weather Manipulation/GeoEngineered weather patterns by the Govt/Military and Corporations.

[icyfroth]

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@paintsew007 wrote:

Amuse yourself by accusing me of being a 'nutter' or a conspiracy theorist - *whew!* I am neither

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It's pretty much all she has, paints....

[fourandsixpants]

Cheers icy

I don't support the hype around global warming - though would concede that global warming and cooling is a natural 'cyclic' thing.

I do see the evidence that weather manipulation is going on.

Lightening 'strikes' can be conjured and are being.

As to the 'why?' so many bush fires (80 plus reported-probably more and many out of control) have 'started' at the same 'time' in NSW.....needs to be observed further.

As to the 'why?' there are gale force/tornado 'winds' one minute and calm the next??....horrific 'floods' one month and out of control 'bush fires' the next - at seemingly frequent, frightening, distructive and regular intervals?.....look up, observe and compare to what you saw and remember seeing in the skies as a child/young person.

The skyscape is being messed with and 'changed'.

The weather patterns are being 'messed' with and changed.

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

Not a conspiracy theorist........giggle