on 19-10-2013 02:52 PM
on 22-10-2013 03:52 PM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:Police are arresting people for starting the fires.
How can you disagree with that.
Your comments are very peculiar LL.
so you have documented proof kids and firebugs started all of these fires ? and if you did , how do you measure how large and how far they would spread ? would a fire started by lightning strike burn any differently anyway ?
on 22-10-2013 03:56 PM
@paintsew007 wrote:hey Lakie.....! http://www.news.com.au/national-news-2/wa-government-defends-prescribed-burning/story-e6frfkxi-12262...
just fer U
WA Government defends prescribed burning
IN the wake of the destructive Margaret River bushfire, the head of Western Australia's environment department has defended prescribed burning, saying worse tragedies would occur if it was not carried out.
Keiran McNamara, the director-general of the state's Department of Environment and Conservation (DEC), has also defended an officer involved in approving the burn which got out of control, after it was revealed he had been criticised by the WA coroner over three bushfire fatalities in 2007.
Hundreds of bushfire evacuees were waiting today to return to their homes in the Margaret River region after cooler weather enabled firefighters to contain the blaze that razed 30 houses.
Authorities hoped to have roads open and most evacuees back to their homes by tonight.
The fire spread out of control on Wednesday from a prescribed burn started by DEC in the Leeuwin-Naturaliste National Park on September 6 and reignited last Monday.
Mr McNamara told reporters today that he expressed his apologies and sympathies to the Margaret River community and particularly those families who had lost homes.
He said prescribed burning was inherently dangerous but it would continue to be an essential part of protecting the community from bushfires.
"In the absence of prescribed burning, unfortunately we will see worse tragedies than what we've experienced this week."
Mr McNamara said unseasonal wet weather meant the burn could not be completed in the time expected and it had to be relit a number of times.
"Once a burn has been initiated, it is necessary to complete that burn to make it safe."
There was every chance the fire might have spread without any reignitions, he said.
Mr McNamara rejected claims that the WA government had put pressure on DEC to ramp up prescribed burning in the wake of the Perth Hills bushfire in February that destroyed 71 homes.
"I reject the claim that we're taking too many risks. We assess every burn very carefully."
Premier Colin Barnett has said there will be an inquiry into the blaze.
But he added it was not a case of laying blame because it was an accident.
Mr McNamara confirmed that last year he had reinstated Brad Commins, now the district manager who oversees the Margaret River region, after he voluntarily stepped aside when WA Coroner Alastair Hope criticised him over three bushfire deaths in 2007.
Mr Hope found Mr Commins and two other DEC officers failed to consider key weather information when they approved the reopening of a road when a bushfire was burning in the Boorabbin National Park in WA's Goldfields region in December 2007.
"This constituted extreme incompetence," Mr Hope found.
Truck drivers Robert Taylor, Trevor Murley and Lewis Bedford died when they drove into the fire when the road through the national park was reopened.
Mr McNamara said on Saturday that an independent investigation had later found that Mr Commins was not careless in exercising his roles at Boorabbin.
"I have full confidence in Mr Commins as a competent and professional officer," he said.
Mr Commins was one of a number of senior staff who approved the Margaret River burn, Mr McNamara said.
DEC has confirmed that 30 houses, nine holiday chalets and four sheds were lost in the fire, while 16 houses and a shop were damaged.
A significant heritage loss was Wallcliffe House, an 1865 riverside manor being restored by Woodside Petroleum and National Australia Bank chairman Michael Chaney.
DEC issued a smoke alert on Saturday for southern parts of Perth after southerly winds pushed smoke north from the Margaret River fire.
to me that story merely indicates that a controlled burn is now more difficult to control. and human error is present as everywhere , like these boards.
on 22-10-2013 03:59 PM
@*ibis wrote:the link between global warming and bushfires has been established and it's time for action
so what action is it that is going to stop bushfires?
anyone got a link? id love to know
I don't think you'll ever stop them, but you can contingency-plan for them if you take all the possibilities into account and not just rely on historical and or anecdotal experience.
The world is changing and we need to keep up or fall behind.
on 22-10-2013 04:10 PM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:Police are arresting people for starting the fires.
How can you disagree with that.
Your comments are very peculiar LL.
Some people my have started some of the fires, but the fact that they were able to take hold and spread so quickly and burn so ferociously is attributed to the warm dry winters and unprecedented high summer temperatures we've been experiencing in the last decades, and which have in turn been attributed to global warming/ climate change.
22-10-2013 04:17 PM - edited 22-10-2013 04:19 PM
22 August 2013 in Portugal...................Portugal struggles to contain almost 300 fires.
on 22-10-2013 04:20 PM
SRA: "As global warming stopped 17 years ago, blaming it on the current NSW bushfires is complete nonsense."
The latter comment I agree with, but the former is pure codswallop SRA.
I think you and P7 have convoluted appreciation of science SRA. P7 attributes scientifically impossible conspiracy theories to everyday science and occurrences, and you just "overlook" the Scientific Method (and records)
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Jan. 15, 2013
NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. With the exception of 1988, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest years on record.
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on 22-10-2013 04:37 PM
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:
As global warming stopped 17 years ago, blaming it on the current NSW bushfires is complete nonsense.
If we did not have unusually dry winter, the councils may have been able to burn off more, and the ground would be still more wet, and even if people (or lightning) would start a fire it could be controlled. It is a combination of unusually hot October, dry bush, high winds and idiots who light fires that leads to such uncontrollable fires. And it will only get worse as the summer comes. The prediction is that here in Victoria we will have also bad fire season.
on 22-10-2013 04:44 PM
the rise in the average global temperature since 1880 is less than one degree
personally i cant tell the difference between 25 and 25.6 degrees so im not building a climate change panic room just yet
on 22-10-2013 05:09 PM
It is not rise from 25 to 26, it is rise in average temperatures. January and February 2013 we had the longest lasting heat wave with record temperatures. Over several weeks we had only handful of days under 30. While in some other parts of the world they had record low temperatures with severe storms.
on 22-10-2013 05:15 PM
@lakeland27 wrote:
@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:Police are arresting people for starting the fires.
How can you disagree with that.
Your comments are very peculiar LL.
so you have documented proof kids and firebugs started all of these fires ? and if you did , how do you measure how large and how far they would spread ? would a fire started by lightning strike burn any differently anyway ?
Are the police in on your conspiracy theory LL?......and FYI, the children have been charged for starting multiple fires, no where
has it been stated that the police have charged them with starting all the fires.
Normal people have a problem with arson.......you seem to be quite indifferent to the cause........
Again, your comments are very peculiar LL.