on 15-06-2014 03:55 PM
Should other countries intervene in Iraq? and the other countries inclues Australia
Its turning into a real mess and blood bath... over run by extremist and terrorists
Iraq: 'extreme, brutal' Isis fuels humanitarian crisis
The Sydney Morning Herald reports graphic images of the executions of Iraqi soldiers were live tweeted by members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as they happened late last week.
The photos showed scores of soldiers rounded up into trucks before being forced face-down in the dirt with their hands tied behind their backs before being executed by automatic weapons.
On early Saturday ISIL tweeted it had executed 1700 Shiite soldiers, but the figure has not been confirmed by human rights groups.
17-06-2014 02:31 PM - edited 17-06-2014 02:32 PM
My point, to be clear , is that our own sh*t is just as suspect in these unfortunate shinanagans happening in Iraq and must be honetly taken into account if we are called on to make another buncjh of sacrifices that will once again put our kids in front of real guns and folks with exactly the same sort of determination to survice as has happened before. We need to be very carefull how we go about this - and in doing so by making sre that what we are doing will assit to mend the violence of our last effortS. That is all. Carry on.
on 17-06-2014 02:35 PM
on 17-06-2014 02:42 PM
We did that last time and here we are.
on 17-06-2014 02:49 PM
on 17-06-2014 02:50 PM
@pablo12_2007 wrote:My point, to be clear , is that our own sh*t is just as suspect in these unfortunate shinanagans happening in Iraq and must be honetly taken into account if we are called on to make another buncjh of sacrifices that will once again put our kids in front of real guns and folks with exactly the same sort of determination to survice as has happened before. We need to be very carefull how we go about this - and in doing so by making sre that what we are doing will assit to mend the violence of our last effortS. That is all. Carry on.
You won't get an argumnet from me on that score.
But I don't understand what you mean about me 'splitting hairs' with regard to the Katyn Forest murders. Nazis may come in many disgises - and who can forget the "soup Nazi' on Seinfeld? - but, given the context of my post, it must have been obvious that the Nazis I was referring to were German Nazis supposedly acting under orders from above: i.e Hitler.
I am not denying or trying to downplay any of the attrocities committed by Hitler's Nazis, but in this particular case the facts are indisputable - unless you choose to believe Gorbachev was lying when he admitted it was Communists i.e the Red Army acting under instructions from Stalin who committed the attrocity.
on 17-06-2014 02:57 PM
my point is that the tendancy for instrumental and (i)ratioal behaviour is not confinded to the germans, russians nor the new mob on the block: ISIS (sic).
That capacity for crulty is human and a uniform is no protection from it. The most respected "diggers" are those who remind us that they are murderers - not heros.
17-06-2014 02:59 PM - edited 17-06-2014 03:03 PM
No, of course not. but look at what imsaying rather than just simply reducting it down to a moral argument about duty - if you get my meaning.
And God! you soud like a kid whose only capacity to think about war and the destruction it brings is a defensive stratgy about weaponry in an online game. If you want a war, you will get one, and like all reall war you will expereince death, i that is what you want then God help you.
on 17-06-2014 03:06 PM
@pablo12_2007 wrote:my point is that the tendancy for instrumental and (i)ratioal behaviour is not confinded to the germans, russians nor the new mob on the block: ISIS (sic).
That capacity for crulty is human and a uniform is no protection from it. The most respected "diggers" are those who remind us that they are murderers - not heros.
Can you point out to me where I even suggested it was?
Is it not possible to discuss one event that happened at one time in one place, without being obliged to add a disclaimer that in other places, at other times, other people have behaved in a similar fashion?
on 17-06-2014 03:10 PM
I actualy wasnt speaking directly to you, rather making the pont that we are just as implicated in the events that are now unfolding and for which people are being slaughters like pigs and should taken care in how we promote "our views".
on 17-06-2014 03:17 PM
The only thing we should be doing is preparing to take in refugees from Iraq, I wonder how many we will take?