22-09-2014 08:59 AM - edited 22-09-2014 09:00 AM
on 01-10-2014 09:44 AM
except that it is different, you can see their eyes.
on 01-10-2014 10:07 AM
For identification purposes it makes no difference whether the eyes are visible or not, the majority of the face is still covered and identification is impossible for either. I'm pretty sure the Carnita Williams case is a perfect example of that and shows the niqaab as being equally troublesome for law enforcement and likely to be just as confronting for some people.
The problem at hand is face covering, worrying about someone improperly naming the garment because one has a couple less inches of fabric is nit picking imo.
on 01-10-2014 10:20 AM
I think it's nit picking to ask for a ban on a burqa, when it is worn by so few people. The Muslim population in Australia is 2.2% or thereabouts, so that means about 1% can possibly wear it, when in actual fact it is more like .1% who do.
It's not about identification as they do have to remove it for identification purposes.
I feel confronted by people who dress poorly and have body parts visibly hanging outside their clothing and also by facial piercings and some tattoos but I don't think I would be asking for it to
on 01-10-2014 10:26 AM
on 01-10-2014 10:27 AM
Peta Credlin backs burqa ban in Federal Parliament
on 01-10-2014 10:29 AM
I think it's nit picking to ask for a ban on a burqa, when it is worn by so few people.
I dont disagree, personally I'm not concerned either way, but then I've never actually seen anyone wear one so not sure how I'd feel if I came across it. I understand how those living in an area more heavily populated by muslims could feel differently though.
I do think they should be required to remove them for identification purposes.
on 01-10-2014 10:37 AM
She wasn't wearing a burqa...................
The continuation of that statement really proves that people who want it banned, have no idea what a burqa is. IMO.
i think most ppl understand that when someone
is saying ban the burka they also mean niqab.
both conceal the faces and the OP said:
Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?
whether that muslim lady wore a burka or niqab -
the end result would have been the same -
Muslim women will be required to remove face veils as part of new identity check laws in NSW.
"In some situations it means individuals wearing full and partial face-covering garments will need to reveal their face for the purpose of identification,"
The change follows the case of Sydney mum of seven, Carnita Matthews, who was jailed in 2010 for falsely accusing a policeman of trying to remove her niqab during a traffic stop.
sbs news
the law obvoiusly applies to both burka
and niqab.
is the law the same in other states?
01-10-2014 10:43 AM - edited 01-10-2014 10:44 AM
Nicknamed the 'burqa bill' in the halls of parliament, independent MP Peter Wellington's Identification Laws amendment bill was voted down by both Labor and LNP government MPs in a rare show of accord overnight.
The Nicklin MP put the private member's bill forward in August last year with the aim that, in appropriate circumstances, a "police officer, a corrective services or similar officer, a lawyer, a justice of the peace or a commissioner for declaration" could "lawfully" demand a person remove any face coverings so they could be identified.
on 01-10-2014 10:50 AM
@polksaladallie wrote:Peta Credlin backs burqa ban in Federal Parliament
I could add something, but won't.
Ms Credlin said during the conversation that she supported people's right to wear the burqa in public.
01-10-2014 10:58 AM - edited 01-10-2014 10:58 AM
I have not been to Parliament house for about 20 years, do they have security like airports and court houses? metal detectors/xray?
I would think that if the identity needs to be checked they can do so, by asking the women to step aside and be checked by a relevant security officer, female if necessary, just like the other places do.