Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

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Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

 

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So it's OK to instruct our service personnel NOT to wear their uniforms but it's not OK to instuct alleged women NOT to wear the burqa. As the redhead would say "please explain".

 

 

They weren't instructed NOT ot wear their uniforms in public. No ban on ALL Australian armed forces personnel from wearing their uniforms in public.

 

 

Australian military personnel should carefully consider wearing their uniforms in public, the Defence Department says.

 

....a spokesperson said members had been advised to exercise their judgement about wearing a uniform in public.

 

 

it's not OK to instruct alleged women NOT to wear the burqa.

 

Why would it be? Who is going to do the 'instructing'? The Minister of Defence?

There is no law in Australia preventing a woman from choosing to wear a burqa in public.

 

 

 

 

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Hungry Jacks announces new burqa policy.

 

 

Customers must wear colourful facial coverings.

 

'The burqas are better at Hungry Jacks'

 

🙂

 

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Poll: Do you support Jacqui Lambie's campaign to ban the burqa?

 

In a poll by The Sydney Morning Herald  (a good leftie Fairfax paper) yesterday, 54% of the public want the burqa banned, 11% more than the "no's"!

 


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/burqa-debate-jacqui-lambie-goes-headtohead-wit...

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Can everyone move on from the racism/bigotry bandana and see it as it is an identification issue.

Geez Louise and Louie where is the bigoty in take off your helmets please.

Same, or doesn't the sense of reason of some go there.

 

This is not aimed at anyone in particular so I am not practising posterism just sense of reasonism.

 

 

Can Children of Adam just wear fig leaves.. Just asking

 




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Apparently 

 

 




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It is not an identification issue...... they can be asked to remove it for identification purposes.

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5 good reasons why the burqa should be banned 

 

 

 

 1. The Burqa Covers Up Abuse

 

 Countries where the Burqa is commonly worn also have higher rates of domestic violence.

 

 In Afghanistan 87 percent of women reported experiencing domestic violence. In Pakistan that number goes as high as 90 percent. Domestic violence is also a major problem in Saudi Arabia.

 

 In cases of domestic abuse, the Burqa doesn’t just isolate the woman, it also covers up evidence of the abuse. It gives the abuser the freedom to brutalize his partner without worrying that anyone will even notice.

 

 This is an especially vital issue in Europe, where spousal abuse is a serious crime, and the abuser has more motivation than ever to cover it up. The Burqa successfully isolates abuse victims, cuts them off from any prospective support networks and prevents anyone on the outside from even realizing what is being done to them.

 

 The Muslim community has been in denial about its rates of domestic abuse.

 

 The Burqa is one reason why. It’s easier not to see abused women, when they are segregated and the marks of their abuse are kept out sight.

 

 2. The Burqa Justifies Sexual Assault on Women Who Don’t Wear It

 

 In response to a gang rape, the Chief Mufti of Australia Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali said,

 

 "If I came across a rape crime – kidnap and violation of honour – I would discipline the man and order that the woman be arrested and jailed for life.' Why would you do this, Rafihi? He says because if she had not left the meat uncovered, the cat wouldn't have snatched it... If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, is it the fault of the cat or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem."

 

 By wearing the Burqa or Hijab, women participate in a narrative that gives rapists a pass for sexual assaults on women who don’t dress the way the Mufti or Imam says they should.

 

 The Koran gives a similar justification for a head to toe covering for women, “O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies that they may thus be distinguished and not molested.” (Koran 33:59)

 

 This distinction between women who can be ‘molested’ and those who cannot is what makes the Burqa such an explosive addition to Europe—which is already suffering from a high rate of Muslim sexual assaults on non-Muslim women.

 

 The Burqa divides women into “good girls” and “whores” and gives potential rapists, religious ammunition for their crimes.

 

 Banning the Burqa protects women who choose not to wear it from being assaulted because of their perceived immodesty.

 

 3. Civic Participation

 

 The essence of a modern society is that it extends civic participation to everyone. Deliberately preventing an entire gender from participating in society as identifiable individuals is an assault on the democratic character of the state.

 

 Individuals are recognizable through personal attributes. Remove those attributes and you remove the individuality as well.

 

 The Sahih Bukhari relates that one inspiration for the Burqa was that one of Mohammed’s followers was able to recognize one of his wives at night. The implication is that the Burqa is meant to prevent such recognition from taking place.

 

 Women are not meant to be recognized as individuals. Or to be empowered to make their own decisions.

 

 The Burqa is designed to impede interaction outside the home.

 

 The failure to be recognized as an individual is dehumanizing and deprives women of their role in civic life.

 

 Countries where the Burqa is in wide use, have low rates of female civic participation.

 

 In Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to vote.

 

 In parts of Pakistan, women are not allowed to vote as well.

 

 In Afghanistan women were shunted into female only polling stations, or forced to vote by proxy through a male family member.

 

 The rise of such segregation in Europe would threaten the democratic character of the society. But should the Burqa become widespread, the status of some European women living in national capitals would begin to resemble those of Saudi and Pakistani women.

 

 4. Segregation is Discrimination

 

 Purdah segregates women at homes and the Burqa segregates them in public.

 

 While the authorities cannot interfere with what people choose to do in their own homes—the public wearing of the Burqa is a statement that women are unequal and must be segregated.

 

 Such an attitude is an assault on the legal place of women in society.

 

 It imposes the norms of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on the streets of Paris, London and Sydney.

 

 Like a Klan march, it a dehumanizing and intimidating statement of bigotry against a segment of society.

 

 While in the United States, such marches are legal, in much of Europe they are not.

 

 If radicals are prevented from making public statements about the inferiority of races, why should they be permitted to assert the inferiority of a gender?

 

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other,” the Koran asserts.

 

 Replace ‘women’ with any race or religion, and a public assertion of such a thing would be cause for criminal proceedings.

 

 Imposing the segregation of the Burqa on women in an assertion of a bigoted creed that dehumanizes an entire gender. While Muslims are free to believe what they do, a public display that dehumanizes women as a gender by treating their faces as obscene, is an intolerant violation of the norms of civil society.

 

 5. The Wearing of the Burqa is Enforced Through Violence

 

“More often the girls were under orders from their fathers and uncles and brothers, and even their male classmates. For the boys, transforming a bluejeaned teen-age sister into a docile and observant “Muslim” virgin was a rite de passage into authority, the fast track to becoming a man, and more important, a Muslim man…. it was also a license for violence.” (Jane Kramer, Taking the Veil, New Yorker)

 

 In 2003 a French survey found that 77 percent of girls who wore the Hijab did so because of threats.

 

 Women in the Muslim world have been punished by having acid thrown in their faces for not complying with similar demands.

 

 There is no way to break through this climate of coercion except by giving women and girls immunity from such demands by banning the source of it - the Burqa.

 

 The Burqa also exposes women to blackmail and intimidation when they deviate from the standard of full body covering.

 

 There is a rising number of cases in which women and girls who posted Facebook pictures of themselves in normal clothes have been blackmailed and threatened for it.

 

 As long as the Burqa remains a threat hanging over the heads of Muslim and non-Muslim women alike, no woman can truly be free from its implied threat to her person and her political freedoms.

 

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/dgreenfield/five-reasons-to-ban-the-burqa/ 

 

 (by Daniel Greenfield, Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, New York writer focusing on radical Islam.)

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@azureline** wrote:

It is not an identification issue...... they can be asked to remove it for identification purposes

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So why then can that not apply to other head covering. 




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Burqa bans already in place in many countries 

 

SYRIA

 

The Syrian Govenmernt banned the Islamic veil in July 2010.

 

The crackdown was ordered by the secular government in Damascus amid fears of increasing Islamic extremism among young Muslim students.

 

But in 2011 Syrian President Bashar Assad relaxed a law to allow teachers to wear the niqab after earlier banning the face-covering Islamic veils from the country’s universities

 

FRANCE

 

France, home to about five million Muslims, was the first European country to ban the public use of veils, both face-covering niqabs and full-body burqas, in 2011.

 

France made it illegal for anyone to cover their face with anything that obscures their identity — including the burqa, balaclavas and hoods — in a public place.

 

The French Government claims the laws are not aimed solely at the burqa or veil but that the laws were aimed at “helping everyone to integrate”.

 

People who wear scarfs, veils and turbans must remove them for security checks.

 

Then president Nicholas Sarkozy has controversially described Islamic dress as reducing women to “prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity.”

 

France had already passed a law in 2004 that banned “symbols or clothes through which students conspicuously display their religious affiliation” in educational establishments.

 

BELIGIUM

 

The Belgian government introduced a similar ban in 2011 when it banned the Islamic full-face veil and any clothing that obscured a person’s identity in a public place.

 

Prior to this, the burqa had already been banned in several districts.

 

The Belgian government claims Muslim face-covering garments are “incompatible” with the rule of law.

 

The Belgian government echoes the French Government in saying that the laws are also beneficial for social integration.

 

TURKEY

 

Last year Turkey’s decades-long restriction on wearing the headscarf in state institutions were relaxed to allow Turkish women who want to wear the hijab — the traditional Islamic headscarf covering the head and hair, but not the face — to civil service jobs and government offices.

 

The ban was lifted to address concerns that the ban was discouraging women who wear it from eking government jobs or higher education.

 

The laws were originally established to keep religious symbolism out of the civil service due to Turkey’s attempt to be a modern, secular state.

 

TUNISIA

 

Back in 1981 Tunisia banned women from wearing Islamic dress, including headscarves, in schools and state offices.

But the ban was largely ignored until 2006 when the government cracked down on those wearing the hijab in an attempt to deter extremism.

 

SPAIN

 

The city of Barcelona is among more than a dozen cities to ban Muslim full-face coverings in some public spaces such as council buildings, markets and libraries since 2010.

 

But But Spain’s Supreme Court threw out the ordinances — which also applied to any headwear, including helmets and balaclavas — that impeded identification in 2013.

 

A number of smaller towns in Spain have also banned Muslim face-coverings claiming the law was “unconstitutional”.

 

ITALY

 

Covering the face in public has been illegal in Italy since the 1970s due to security concerns.

 

The law isn’t nationally enforced when it comes to Muslim face coverings but the government regularly debates expanding the decades-old law to impose special penalties on women who wear the burqa, niqab or any other garment that covers the face.

 

Islamic veils have also been banned in several towns in Italy such as Novara.

 

GERMANY

 

Wearing Muslim veils is not nationally outlawed in Germany but in 2003 the federal constitutional court ruled that state governments could impose such restrictions on school teachers.

 

As a result half of Germany’s 16 state governments have since banned teachers from wearing Islamic veils and headscarves.

 

The state of Hesse banned all civil servants from wearing headscarves or veils in 2011.

 

Reasons cited for the bans range from social integration to road safety.

 

RUSSIA

 

In 2013 the Stavropol region was the first to impose a ban on Muslim face coverings. The Ticino region also banned face veils in public places.

 

But in Chechnya, the authorities have defied Russian policy on Islamic dress and order women to headscarves in state buildings.

 

THE NETHERLANDS

 

In 2007 The Netherlands prohibited the full veil in schools and on public transport.

 

The ban has since been extended to universities and specific professions where face-to-face communication and eye contact is required.

 

Law court staff are also prohibited from wearing Muslim face-coverings on the grounds of ‘state neutrality’.

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/burqa-bans-already-in-place-in-many-countries/story-fni0xq...

 

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