Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[iapetus_rocks]

Harden up? You mean just ignore that the burqa exists in order to "protect" women as the property of men? To protect them from the unwanted attentions of the men?

I'd rather that Islam re-wrote its' tenets so that women were truly respected and free from harrassment.

It's on  the men . .  it is their responsibility to take that first step into the 21st century and learn what respect means and what being civilised means.

It's a poor response from them to just say that it's the womens' fault for tempting them to behave like barbarians.

[Anonymous]

I have asked why posters in this thread feel initimidated or confronted, nothing more. For reasons unkown, they don't seem to have an answer.

yeah, they do.  some said they thought

the burka represented oppression.

others saw it as a barrier.  felt uncomfortable

in the presence of people with their faces

covered.   you seem to think that those

reasons are not valid.

our ex prime minister an educated intelligent

woman understood that some australians found

the burka confronting.  i dont have the same level

of education and i'm not as intelligent but i can

understand that too. 

[iapetus_rocks]

You know what else the burqa signifies? (the burqa, niqab and chador)

It serves to identify those women who are "obedient" who wear it and it signifies that those women who don't wear it are not to be respected and are fair game for all sorts of harrassment.

Surely you remember Sheik Hilaly and his comments about "uncovered meat"?

"In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-leader-blames-women-for-sex-attacks/story-e6frg6n...

My response is that if Muslim men truly respected women and their rights, then women would have no need to cover themselves up as if it were their fault they were seen as "tempting meat".

So, this form of dress serves not only to identify the "obedient" women, but it also serves to identify those (who don't wear it) as fair game for assault, harrassment and general disrespect.

There is no place for this kind of thinking in today's Australia.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Best check that story about the 6 yr old, her father offered her in marriage then, Mahommed turned him down, she was offered again at the time she "became of child bearing age" as was usual in that era.............. and he accepted. She was a scholar and has left much behind for others to read, the truth is probably in there somewhere.

How about Abraham and Sarah? he was 100 and she was 90 when Isaac was born........... and no one questions that, lol

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"The majority of traditional hadith sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six or seven, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, or ten according to Ibn Hisham when the marriage was consumated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

That's just one source, but there are others

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Child marriage was actually a quite common practice among royalty and the aristocracy in Europe during medievel times  - when dynastic marriages were de rigeur. For example  Edward III, aged 13, married Philippa of Hainault when she was 13 and Henry IV, aged 14, married 1st wife Mary de Bohun when she was 12.  Children were often betrothed to each other by their parents when they were still infants

[iapetus_rocks]

But times have changed and we have moved on.

Well, some of us have, anyway. There's a very good reason why the Australian Federal  Govt keeps an eye out for under-age girls who are being sent back "home" for a visit, and an incidental arranged marriage to a much older man, into the bargain.

[Anonymous]

muslim women talk about the burka/niqab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWBXGhFBkU

[azureline**]

The majority of muslims have moved on too.

[Anonymous]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Best check that story about the 6 yr old, her father offered her in marriage then, Mahommed turned him down, she was offered again at the time she "became of child bearing age" as was usual in that era.............. and he accepted. She was a scholar and has left much behind for others to read, the truth is probably in there somewhere.

How about Abraham and Sarah? he was 100 and she was 90 when Isaac was born........... and no one questions that, lol

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"The majority of traditional hadith sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six or seven, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, or ten according to Ibn Hisham when the marriage was consumated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

That's just one source, but there are others

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Child marriage was actually a quite common practice among royalty and the aristocracy in Europe during medievel times  - when dynastic marriages were de rigeur. For example  Edward III, aged 13, married Philippa of Hainault when she was 13 and Henry IV, aged 14, married 1st wife Mary de Bohun when she was 12.  Children were often betrothed to each other by their parents when they were still infants

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and now we have UNICEF

[cherry*135]

Yeah, they do.  some said they thought

the burka represented oppression.

others saw it as a barrier.

Which has nothing at all to do with feeling intimidation or feeling confronted when faced with being in the same space as a woman wearing a burqa.

[iapetus_rocks]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

muslim women talk about the burka/niqab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWBXGhFBkU

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"What choice does a woman have if she is told she will burn in hell if she doesn't wear it?" (quote from the video)

A pinnacle of piety. the closest you can get to god.  in which a Muslim woman disappears . . no longer here.

it's worth a watch, short though it is.

I can deal with womens' brains . . . I have worked with  women who have brains which I envy. But it's still difficult to converse with someone, paying attention only to the words which are generated by their brain, when I can't see their face.

Non verbal comms are just so important. How do you tell if someone is lying to you, for example? . . . look out for the inappropriate smile at the end of the spoken lie .... oops, can't do that if you can't see their mouth.

I see it as a respect issue (partly). I respect peoples' right to dress as they please (though sometimes I feel uncomfortable by their choice)

People who wear face-covering dress don't respect me because they don't trust me to see the full range of their facial expressions.