Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[iapetus_rocks]

Yes, but that is the nature of intenet comms. all we have is the type; the words. it's inadequate and misunderstandings so easily arise, as we are all aware.

But, with face-to-face conversation, it is different. I think it is disrespectful to hide one's face in this circumstance.

And that's the cultural divide in a nutshell. They think they are being respectful, while I (we?) think they are being disrespectful.

I think this is an issue which Muslims have to deal with and work out for themselves.

I don't think it's our obligation or responsibility to accommodate a point of view which holds out that women are not the equals of men in every respect.

Which brings me back to the issue of "respect".

We are being asked to respect a culture and a religion which enshirines the idea that women are not the equals to men.

I cannot offer respect to such an idea, even if it is a religious belief, and certainly not if it is  a cultural belief.

[ufo_investigations]

What I'm saying is. If I was to go out to meet women and a woman was at a bar and I could see her and if I fancied her I'd probably start a conversation and buy her a drink but if she was completely covered I'd have no idea whether it is a woman/man/transgender or whatever and for this reason I personally would not even go within a poles distance.

[ufo_investigations]

How is a man supposed to know whether he fancies the girl if she is completely hidden?

[iapetus_rocks]

UFO . . . you are talking hypotheticals here.

No Muslim woman who wore the veil would even enter a bar on her own. And if you tried to chat her up, I think her male escorts might just "explain" to you why that was an inappropriate move.

[Anonymous]

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@j*oono wrote:

Ufo, how would you cope if you were born without site or without hearing?

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good question.  havent thought about that.

a blind person  would touch another's face to

get a sense of what they look like ???

[j*oono]

That's a question for you Ufo once she removes her make up and false eyelashes.  Who knows what she has hidden in her push up bra.  Could be a grenade in there.

Do you think that all push up bras should be double checked before entering parliament?

[ufo_investigations]

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@j*oono wrote:

That's a question for you Ufo once she removes her make up and false eyelashes.  Who knows what she has hidden in her push up bra.  Could be a grenade in there.

Do you think that all push up bras should be double checked before entering parliament?

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Do they have jobs there to check womens bras? Oh don't worry plenty men would apply for that job. LOL

I'm not sure what type security they have at Parliament but I guess they would have scanners like the airport. I don't know haven't been there for a long time.

[iapetus_rocks]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

How is a man supposed to know whether he fancies the girl if she is completely hidden?

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They don't and they can't. In a culture which secludes women and makes them unavailable for meeting except under certain strict conditions, the man doesn't know what the woman he is courting looks like.

Famliies often arrange marriages under such circumstances. And who's to say if the families don't make better choices than the individual could make?

It's freedom, UFO, but not as we know it.

[Anonymous]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

muslim women talk about the burka/niqab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWBXGhFBkU

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"What choice does a woman have if she is told she will burn in hell if she doesn't wear it?" (quote from the video)

A pinnacle of piety. the closest you can get to god.  in which a Muslim woman disappears . . no longer here.

it's worth a watch, short though it is.

I can deal with womens' brains . . . I have worked with  women who have brains which I envy. But it's still difficult to converse with someone, paying attention only to the words which are generated by their brain, when I can't see their face.

Non verbal comms are just so important. How do you tell if someone is lying to you, for example? . . . look out for the inappropriate smile at the end of the spoken lie .... oops, can't do that if you can't see their mouth.

I see it as a respect issue (partly). I respect peoples' right to dress as they please (though sometimes I feel uncomfortable by their choice)

People who wear face-covering dress don't respect me because they don't trust me to see the full range of their facial expressions.

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was interesting to hear opposing views

from muslim women.

[ufo_investigations]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

How is a man supposed to know whether he fancies the girl if she is completely hidden?

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They don't and they can't. In a culture which secludes women and makes them unavailable for meeting except under certain strict conditions, the man doesn't know what the woman he is courting looks like.

Famliies often arrange marriages under such circumstances. And who's to say if the families don't make better choices than the individual could make?

It's freedom, UFO, but not as we know it.

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What? You telling me, the woman you get is like a lottery ticket? I don't like that idea. I'd have to make the decision for myself. What if she is ugly and I just don't like her?