Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[j*oono]

Oh well.  It was interesting to read from the fearful.  

[iapetus_rocks]

Yes, but it's a pity that she didn't get more time to explain her point of view.

[iapetus_rocks]

What? You telling me, the woman you get is like a lottery ticket? I don't like that idea. I'd have to make the decision for myself. What if she is ugly and I just don't like her?

Well, in some cultures it is, and not only in Muslim ones. I have worked with women and men, who have gone "home" to India to marry people who have been pre-selected by their respective families, although they told me that they (the individual men and women) still had the final say.

Sometimes families and significant others know better who will be a good match. We are not used to that, and often we make disastrous choices. Who is to say which system is better? although the possibility of compulsion remains repugnant and unacceptable.

What if she is ugly and I just don't like her?

What if you are an aged, misogynist wife-beater and she doesn't like you? Not saying you are, but . . . what if?

I think all the things we have talked about here relate to a person's right to personal freedom about who they will speak to and who they will show their face to and who they will decide to marry.

It's a poor sort of life for a person (any person) if those freedoms are snatched away from them without the remedy of appeal.

The issue relates to personal freedoms, and how can someone be truly free to make their own choices when they are, by definiton, second-class citizens, subject to the control and the "protection" of their menfolk, whether they like it or not?

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

How is a man supposed to know whether he fancies the girl if she is completely hidden?

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They don't and they can't. In a culture which secludes women and makes them unavailable for meeting except under certain strict conditions, the man doesn't know what the woman he is courting looks like.

Famliies often arrange marriages under such circumstances. And who's to say if the families don't make better choices than the individual could make?

It's freedom, UFO, but not as we know it.

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What? You telling me, the woman you get is like a lottery ticket? I don't like that idea. I'd have to make the decision for myself. What if she is ugly and I just don't like her?

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It was true love at first sight and well i mind the night 
when we first began to cuddle and to swoon 
we were married then and there, in a wee kirk doon in ayr 
by the bright shining light o the moon 

well i squandered all my dough to her hame i had to go 
oh what a place to spend a honeymoon 
there was nae fire in the grates and you looked up through the slates 
at the bright shining light of the moon 

when she went off to bed i just sat there and read 
but what a shock i got when i got tae her room 
for hanging fae a peg i saw a great big wooden leg 
by the bright shining light of the moon 

but more trouble lay in store for when she began to snore 
the blankets they went flying round the room 
and lying on the chair i saw her teeth and golden hair 
by the bright shining light of the moon 

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071122125529AA0WdIC

[iapetus_rocks]

But still and all, there's a lot to be said for listening to the recommendations of those who are older and wiser. So many of us make bad choices in our marriages because we succumb to a glamour which soon wears off, leaving us to contemplate the old saying . . "marry in haste; repent at leisure."

But still, why is there support for a double standard where Muslim men can show their faces (they are never veiled) and Muslim women must demonstrate their submission and their devoutness by wearing a veil?

Equality. Why accept anyrthing less? And why offer support for a system (even a religion) which fails to recognise the equality of consideration for every individual person, be they male or female?

Any system which preaches the inequality of the sexes, is not worthy of even one single follower. And yet there are millions who believe that women are inferior to men.

Wear your veil, your chador, your niqab, your burqa, and proclaim to all the world that you consider yourself the downtrodden chattel of your menfolk, who wouldn't wear this garb themselves, even in a pink fit.

[iapetus_rocks]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters, as well as all believing women, that they should draw over themselves some of their outer garments [when in public]: this will be more con¬ducive to their being recognised as decent women and not molested.”

http://www.iisna.com/articles/pamphlets/the-burqa-and-niqab-uncovering-the-facts/

To me, the above comment says more about Muslim men than it does about Muslim women.

The stated reason to wear covering garments is that the men not be tempted to abuse. This is a shocking indictment. and we should really consider whether it is the woman who should cover up in public, or the men who should decide to learn to behave as civilised people.

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Ok, commiting the crime of quoting myself, but I think this post is important. so I'll re-post the salient point.

The stated reason to wear covering garments is that the men not be tempted to abuse. This is a shocking indictment. and we should really consider whether it is the woman who should cover up in public, or the men who should decide to learn to behave as civilised people.

[ufo_investigations]

Look what I found on the tube, bunch of Aussie non-Muslims dress up with the burqa and it caused rage to real Muslims:

[channys_mum]

Interesting that the outraged guy who was asked not to touch said that it is a free country and he was not going to walk away. If a group of people walked down the street dressed as nuns would the catholics carry on.

How can it be racist when there are muslims, christians, atheists etc within every race.

It is not about a race folks, it's about the face.

[village_person]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

muslim women talk about the burka/niqab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWBXGhFBkU

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I watched the intro and then the panel discussion started. I saw one woman, 1 man, and another person covered in black material. I tuned out at that stage because I couldn't determine who the person was under all that black material.

[village_person]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

I'm sorry but I couldn't make friends with a person I can't see. 

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Don't feel sorry. Friendships for muslims are mandated not negotiated.