Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[polksaladallie]

I know of a woman who had stones thrown at her in a mainly Muslim country.  She had on a bikini.  Only one guess as to which nationality she was by showing such disrespect.

[lakeedge]

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@azureline** wrote:

We don't stone women in Australia.

Men who want to control women don't need the burqa.... or a Religion to do it.

Yesterday there was an article in the Sunday Mail and surprise surprise, Pauline Hanson was in on the burqa debate. Her reasons for the ban were just as silly.................. "all terrorists are Muslim"

She really has no idea.

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You completely misunderstood my post. I did not say we stone women in Austalia.

Your, and others support for this garment is misplaced and wrong.

The  connotations put on this garment and the subjugation of women forced to wear it and the killings of women are all part of the mindset of subjugating women, making them less than human by having them cover themselves from head to foot, it is dehumanizing and wrong. 

Women are not to be despised for their looks, their hair and their faces. Trying to justify this garb in a western country is pandering to the most base thinking of men controlling women but many of you on here are only interested in the now and not the consequences of this garment,  women being completely covered and made less than human.

I am  surprised this hasn't been discussed on here, how it has been completely ignored and yet many commented on the Germaine Greer thread and all  about empowering and freeing women from the social constraints of men put on women which  she described in her book.

[lakeedge]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

I know of a woman who had stones thrown at her in a mainly Muslim country.  She had on a bikini.  Only one guess as to which nationality she was by showing such disrespect.

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do you have a link to this incident? I don't think so, no woman would wear a bikini in a muslim country, or are you justifying your support for the burqa?

[icyfroth]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

Frankly, it surprises me how so many ppl here who staunchly stand up for women's rights think the burqa is ok. It's a repressive garment which orthodox muslim men require their women to wear in public so they may not incite lustful urges in men. 

HellOOO! 

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I think it is very presumptuous of us to make the assumption that women are forced to wear this just because we couldn't imagine wearing it ourselves.

Whilst in some countries due to extremist regimes (Taliban for example) they are forced by law, the majority of women I know choose it or are dressed in it by their mothers at a certain age.

A good example for me is the wife of a friend of my husbands. He is Egyptian Muslim although you wouldn't know it as he is not devout, drinks etc.His wedding was the first time 10 years ago was the first time it dawned on me that he WAS Muslim even tho he had mentioned it. His wife was a skinny little thing with big hair and lots of cleavage. After her first child she decided to wear the hijab. These days she wears a hijab and black robes but she doesn't cover her face. Our friend is still as non religious as ever so he doesn't care one way or another. The choice was hers. And her reason was simply that as she got older she was more comfortable covered up.

My neighbours across the road wear the niqab when out in public. I doubt if their menfolk care one way or another. I know that my neighbours husband certainly doesn't care cause we have had discussions about it. He says she wears it because it gives her an excuse not to do gardening!

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Sorry Martini, but regardless of whether women choose to wear the burqa for reasons of their own, whether because it's just easier to avoid conflict within their community, or families, or whether they're habtituated to it since childhood, feel virtuous by wearing it, it's still a garment of concealment and repression.

Traditionally required by men of that culture to shield their womenfolk from the lustful gazes of other men. 

[***super_nova***]

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@micasheen wrote:

Not all acts of barbarism is acted out by isil. This graphic picture of a woman being prepared for stoning by being buried to the chest because she had a cell phone.

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What country is that?

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@micasheen wrote:

There is a huge question about the killing and abuse of women in islam, it can never be denied.

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Yes, there are terrible thing done to woman in SOME Muslim countries, there are also horrible things done in many none Muslim countries.  Indonesia is a Muslim country, yet they do not stone women; actually they have lot more women in their parliament than we do.  So, why don't you say, for instance, Pakistan or Sudan has terrible record for abuse of women, instead of blaming it on Islam? 

[azureline**]

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@micasheen wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

We don't stone women in Australia.

Men who want to control women don't need the burqa.... or a Religion to do it.

Yesterday there was an article in the Sunday Mail and surprise surprise, Pauline Hanson was in on the burqa debate. Her reasons for the ban were just as silly.................. "all terrorists are Muslim"

She really has no idea.

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You completely misunderstood my post. I did not say we stone women in Austalia.

Your, and others support for this garment is misplaced and wrong.

The  connotations put on this garment and the subjugation of women forced to wear it and the killings of women are all part of the mindset of subjugating women, making them less than human by having them cover themselves from head to foot, it is dehumanizing and wrong. 

Women are not to be despised for their looks, their hair and their faces. Trying to justify this garb in a western country is pandering to the most base thinking of men controlling women but many of you on here are only interested in the now and not the consequences of this garment,  women being completely covered and made less than human.

I am  surprised this hasn't been discussed on here, how it has been completely ignored and yet many commented on the Germaine Greer thread and all  about empowering and freeing women from the social constraints of men put on women which  she described in her book.

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I did not misunderstand your post.

I did not say I support the wearing of the burqa..........................I support the choice of women to wear it, if that is their choice. I do not support a ban on wearing it, that is repression. My opinion is not wrong, just because you don't agree.

[polksaladallie]

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@micasheen wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

I know of a woman who had stones thrown at her in a mainly Muslim country.  She had on a bikini.  Only one guess as to which nationality she was by showing such disrespect.

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do you have a link to this incident? I don't think so, no woman would wear a bikini in a muslim country, or are you justifying your support for the burqa?

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A link?  You're kidding.

I'm not justifying anything, just relating an incident that happened on a beach.  My relative who lived there was on the beach at the time and went to her aid.  She belonged to a nationality (USA) who had almost zero respect for the people in the country in which she was living.  I do not know how they behave now.  But then they even had their own shops with their own food brought into the country.  They were unkind to their servants and were not interested in the culture of the country.  My relative worked with lots of different nationalities but none were like the Americans. 

By the way, I saw very few burqas or niqabs while I was there, in the largest city of the country.

[lakeedge]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@micasheen wrote:

Not all acts of barbarism is acted out by isil. This graphic picture of a woman being prepared for stoning by being buried to the chest because she had a cell phone.

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What country is that?

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@micasheen wrote:

There is a huge question about the killing and abuse of women in islam, it can never be denied.

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Yes, there are terrible thing done to woman in SOME Muslim countries, there are also horrible things done in many none Muslim countries.  Indonesia is a Muslim country, yet they do not stone women; actually they have lot more women in their parliament than we do.  So, why don't you say, for instance, Pakistan or Sudan has terrible record for abuse of women, instead of blaming it on Islam? 

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I said women in islam I did not say all women in islam. Please try to understand what you are defending, women in islam are made less than human by men, are stoned to death by men and are made to wear garments that completely dehumanize them.

The many women who are tortured and killed in the name of islam is countless and no defence for this can be offered to a western culture and western women.

Even the former PM Ms Gillard is working to educate girls around the world, knows of the practices islam perpetrates on girls  to keep them hidden and uneducated.

The burqa is a dehumanizing garment women are made to wear. 

There is no defence for this stone age garment in a modern 21st century western country or any other country for that matter.

[lakeedge]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@micasheen wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

We don't stone women in Australia.

Men who want to control women don't need the burqa.... or a Religion to do it.

Yesterday there was an article in the Sunday Mail and surprise surprise, Pauline Hanson was in on the burqa debate. Her reasons for the ban were just as silly.................. "all terrorists are Muslim"

She really has no idea.

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You completely misunderstood my post. I did not say we stone women in Austalia.

Your, and others support for this garment is misplaced and wrong.

The  connotations put on this garment and the subjugation of women forced to wear it and the killings of women are all part of the mindset of subjugating women, making them less than human by having them cover themselves from head to foot, it is dehumanizing and wrong. 

Women are not to be despised for their looks, their hair and their faces. Trying to justify this garb in a western country is pandering to the most base thinking of men controlling women but many of you on here are only interested in the now and not the consequences of this garment,  women being completely covered and made less than human.

I am  surprised this hasn't been discussed on here, how it has been completely ignored and yet many commented on the Germaine Greer thread and all  about empowering and freeing women from the social constraints of men put on women which  she described in her book.

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I did not misunderstand your post.

I did not say I support the wearing of the burqa..........................I support the choice of women to wear it, if that is their choice. I do not support a ban on wearing it, that is repression. My opinion is not wrong, just because you don't agree.

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I think the defining sentence in you post is "if that is their choice".

[lakeedge]

What country are you referring to. What predominantly muslim country?