Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I'd just like to reply to I-need-a-martini . . . I can't find the post, 'twas likely on another thread.

Martini was critical of me for my views and on my understanding of Islam and asked if I have read more than just the Koran. Well, yes I have. I remember having said that I have read all of the koran and some of the hadith and the sunna.

Martini said she had read one page of the Koran (please correct me if I am wrong)

My point is that some others may criticise me for having an incomplete knowledge of Islam; and that I admit to. But I cannot accept such criticism from ones who by their own admission, have read less about it than I have.

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Sadly most of my posts and threads have disappeared and that's why you can't respond.

I wasn't questioining whether you had read the Koran. I questioned the distorted view you (or anyone) would get if they based their views on Islam from the Koran alone. My comment suggested that the if you (or anyone) read the Bible, you would also get a distorted view of Christianity.

Unfortunately it appears that we aren't allowed to compare Islam with other religions on these boards so I can't elaborate.

Also, I have a translated copy of the Koran and I have read as much as I can. And no, I did not say I only read one page. 

[i-need-a-martini]

3 things:

Australia has a policy of multiculturalism, not assimilation. That means we accept that people will continue to live their culture while they live here. That is what makes the country what it is.

Secondly, there are double the number of Chinese in Australia than there are Muslims. Add then all the other Asian countries and they form the biggest migrant group. They have also been the target of most of our racism for the last 200+ years. Except for that brief interlude after the war when the Jews, Italians, Greeks etc were our greatest fear. To see replicas of China, take a train to Strathfiels, Ashfield or Hurstvill in Sydney.

Thirdly, no one is trying to take away Christmas or any of those other things. These are things that are made up by Musrdoch newspapers and you will never find a genuine report about Muslims attempting this.

[lightningdance]

Multiculturalism, that's a whole other subject and one that needs to be discussed but that is not the topic on this thread.

Should the burqa be banned in Australia is the topic.

[lightningdance]

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Please give this man a robe.

Manly men are more masculine

Just look at our Speedo-wearing, bicycle-riding Prime Minister and Member for Warringah Tony Abbott.

 Published in The Daily Telegraph - April, 2014

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He's 54 or 56? (can't remember), still got a pretty ripped body. Still engaging in surf life saving activities and still competing in triathalons - that is seriously not too shabby, regardless of who you are. He's fit, he's toned, and no wobbly bits, so really, why is this an issue?

OK, I admit I have seen prettier heads, but a suit and tie or a pair of boardies ain't going to hide that!

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It suits the Abbott haters to denigrate his physique and scream and hide their eyes. It's so funny to read some posters saying his body is offensive, I'd like to see their OH's lol

What's wrong with his body? nothing what's wrong with speedos? nothing, they are the uniform of the surf life saving of Australia.

They all screamed and ranted when mention was made of Gillards big arsse on tv, they ranted and cried when she fell flat on her face on the world stage, they defended the image of her sitting in a granny chair knitting. They called misogyny every day of the week, Hypocrites?, double standards?  hmmm.

[polksaladallie]

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

How many posters have seen a woman dressed in a burqa on the beach in Australia? I haven't. I have seen them in a blue garment (face not covered) in the water. 

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I think this is ridiculous and incredibly unsafe. Is that really swimming attire? Boardies are a big enough PIA in the surf. They fill up with water and drag you down and impede mobility, but imagine these poor people having a swim, or even if they were accidentally knocked over by a wave whilst paddling in the shallows, or worse, caught in a rip. I wonder if they are strong enough swimmers to be able to cope whilst weighed down with all that waterlogged material.

Surely there has to be some element of common sense and consideration for safety? Fair enough, wear as much as you want whilst safely sitting up on the beach, but stay away from the water.

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They are paddling.  I think the rest of us can see that.  Haven't you ever paddled while fully dressed?

This is swimming attire.

[village_person]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

How many posters have seen a woman dressed in a burqa on the beach in Australia? I haven't. I have seen them in a blue garment (face not covered) in the water. 

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 1. Did you see personally see these women at an AUSTRALIAN beach, icy ( as that is what my question asked)

2. That photo is all over the internet, orignated in Yemen.

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You are correct the photo did originate in Yemen. The photo is of four Australian men on holidays in Yemen. Looking at the photo and reading left to right we have: Greg Burns of Epping NSW; John Stanton of Padstow NSW; Marc Cavendish of Gosford NSW; and Mike Purcell of Airpost West in Victoria. All four told me they had a wonderful time although they nearly drowned several times.

[village_person]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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Robert Johnston tears along the beach at Bronte as he leads the field in the 500m sand dash.

[lightningdance]

Many countries have banned this oppressive attire, it has nothing to do with islam and many islamic leaders have fought to remove it from the face of women and the face of the earth.

Uneducated men are still being told to whip and shroud their women and the burqa is a totem for thier hatred for womens freedom. their fear of women being educated:

Don’t ban the burqa, but do reject it

OF course we should not ban the burqa or the niqab. We do believe in freedom. 

But it is because we believe in freedom that we should still feel free to criticise those shrouds of oppression.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott yesterday weighed in, confessing he found the burqa “a fairly confronting form of attire”.

A history of ban the burqa - along with the reasons why it should not be tolerated:

During the 1920s and 1930s, in this new international environment, kings, shahs, and presidents unveiled their female citizens, and Muslim feminists campaigned hard for open faces in public. They were successful in Egypt, Lebanon, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Pakistan, and Iran, to name but a few countries.

As early as 1899, the Egyptian intellectual Qasim Amin published his landmark book The Liberation of Women, which argued that the face veil was not commensurate with the tenets of Islam and called for its removal… In 1923, the feminist Hoda Hanim Shaarawi, who established the first feminist association that called for uncovering the face and hair, became the first Egyptian woman to remove her face veil or niqab…

In Afghanistan, Shah Amanullah Khan (r. 1919-29) “scandalized the Persians by permitting his wife to go unveiled.” In 1928, he urged Afghan women to uncover their faces and advocated the shooting of interfering husbands....

Turkey banned the Islamic face veil and turban in 1934, and this prohibition has been maintained ever since by a long succession of governments that adhered to Atatürk’s secularist and modernist revolution. Moreover, from the 1980s onward, Turkish women have been prohibited from wearing headscarves in parliament and in public buildings, and this law was even more strictly enforced after a 1997 coup by the secular military.... In recent years, women wearing both hijabs and burqas have been seen on the streets of Istanbul.

As early as 1926 in Iran, Reza Shah provided police protection for Iranian women who chose to dispense with the traditional scarf. Ten years later, on January 7, 1936, the shah ordered all female teachers and the wives of ministers, high military officers, and government officials “to appear in European clothes and hats, rather than chadors"…

Since 1981, women in Tunisia have been prohibited from wearing Islamic dress, including headscarves, in schools or government offices. In 2006, since this ban was increasingly ignored, the Tunisian government launched a sustained campaign against the hijab. The police stopped women in the streets and asked them to remove their headscarves; the president described the headscarf as a “sectarian form of dress which had come into Tunisia uninvited."…

Public servants in Malaysia are prohibited from wearing the niqab. In 1994, the Supreme Court ruled that the niqab “has nothing to do with [a woman’s] constitutional rights to profess and practice her Muslim religion” because it is not required by Islamic law.

On July 18, 2010, Syria became the latest Muslim state to ban full face veils in some public places, barring female students from wearing the full face cover on Syrian university campuses. The Syrian minister of higher education indicated that the face veil ran counter to Syrian academic values and traditions.

In October 2009, Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, perhaps the foremost, formal spiritual authority in Sunni Islam and grand sheikh of al-Azhar University, Sunni Islam’s highest institution of religious learning, was reportedly “angered” when he toured a school in Cairo and saw a teenage girl wearing niqab. Asking the girl to remove her face veil, he said, “The niqab is a tradition; it has no connection with religion.” He then instructed the girl never to wear the niqab again and issued a fatwa (religious edict) against its use in schools.

[k0llectable5]

Prime Minister Tony Abbott yesterday weighed in, confessing he found the burqa “a fairly confronting form of attire”.

I tend to agree.  And honestly is there anything so wrongh with an Australian (considering that we have established that there really aren't that many burqa wearing muslims in OZ, and we have also established that it's actually Niqab we are referring to in this thread) feeling a tad confronted by a person he is talking to, or in parliament say, debating with, who was fully covered up and all he can see are her eyes.  For the average Aussie that many seem a little confronting.  Doesn't make him racist, or intolerant or anything like that.  It actually makes him honest imo

Anyway carry on... I actually didn't read the whole article Lightening, but I do understand where TA is coming from with that statement. 

[nero_bolt]

An Islamic variation to the old School Photo we all look back at with nostalgia!

I love school photographs. It's wonderful to look back in years to come and recognize all your old classmates and the memories of all the fun times you had together.....