Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

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Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

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@punch*drunk wrote:

I think it was DDB that said there are some women wearing burqas at the kinder her kids go to. I do wonder in this day and age how they identify the person collecting the child. I wouldnt be able to collect my niece from kinder without showing id.

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It is hard enough during periods such as Holloween where people are dressed in costumes that hide their identity or at Christmas with all the extra Santas roaming around the place, but to have to be on such high alert every day of the year would be exhausting.

Add to that, it has to be demeaning for those dressed in their Burqas to know that others are always suspicious of who they are, or what their intentions are.

I understand it is cultural custom, but what I can't get my head around is that most people spend their whole lives trying to blend in, not draw attention to themselves, so why would someone come to a brand new country and purposely do things to draw attention to themselves?

[azureline**]

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@bushies.girl wrote:
"someone l;ike Denis Ferguson" is what I read .....

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the post is there to read, however, I am aware of what the poster meant to say/imply. I don't rewrite others' posts.

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@muppet_detector wrote:

Martini, you live in a community where there is a strong Muslim presence, I don't. I have never seen someone wearing a burqa, but have seen a fair few where the face is visible.

But I ask you, in your community, if a person wearing a niqab approached a child and stole them, or committed some other crime, how would an onlooker identify or p[rovide a description of that operson for the authorities? Are you confident that you could definitively say that the person in the niqab was an innocent Muslim going about their daily business and not someone posing as a Muslim, someone l;ike Denis Ferguson, with the intent to avoid identification in order to commit some nefarious activity,

If you saw a person dressed in Niqab collect a child from school and then that child disappeared, could you definitively say that the person who collected the child was their parent, and thus something happened to the child after they were collected separate from their parent, as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child. Would you be able to recognize that that person wasn't the parent and perhaps intervene even?

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People are generally known to the child care/school staff and children know who their parents are, usually. If another person other than the parents were to collect them, then they need to show id and be on the list.

How do they know the difference from one person covered from head to toe to another? For instance if someone posing as the parent were to collect the child?

(ps: Denus Ferguson is dead)

The post read: someone LIKE Dennis Ferguson

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Ok, lets transpose the situation to a shopping centre or a local park, a bus stop

Child is abducted, grandma bashed, shop held up at gunpoint, car break in: police are looking for potential witnesses

Officer: Excuse me mam, can you describe the assailant?

Witness: Yes officer, I saw the whole thing. They were about 5"10 high and were wearing a black covering like a sheet on a ghost at Holloween.

Officer: Do you recall: Hair colour, complexion, eye colour, male/female, any distinguishing marks/tattoos? Is it somone who you have seen in this area before?

Witness: They went East and fled on foot.

Officer: Please tell me, is there ANY thing that you could tell us that may help us to identify this person? ANYthing to help us get even a vague description of this person who you say just beat up your grandma and stole your handbag?

Witness: I have told you everything I know

Officer issues a BOLO: BOLO for 5"10; Casper the not so friendly ghost with a bad dye job....

[karliandjacko]

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@muppet_detector wrote:

Martini, you live in a community where there is a strong Muslim presence, I don't. I have never seen someone wearing a burqa, but have seen a fair few where the face is visible.

But I ask you, in your community, if a person wearing a niqab approached a child and stole them, or committed some other crime, how would an onlooker identify or p[rovide a description of that operson for the authorities? Are you confident that you could definitively say that the person in the niqab was an innocent Muslim going about their daily business and not someone posing as a Muslim, someone l;ike Denis Ferguson, with the intent to avoid identification in order to commit some nefarious activity,

If you saw a person dressed in Niqab collect a child from school and then that child disappeared, could you definitively say that the person who collected the child was their parent, and thus something happened to the child after they were collected separate from their parent, as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child. Would you be able to recognize that that person wasn't the parent and perhaps intervene even?

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People are generally known to the child care/school staff and children know who their parents are, usually. If another person other than the parents were to collect them, then they need to show id and be on the list.

How do they know the difference from one person covered from head to toe to another? For instance if someone posing as the parent were to collect the child?

(ps: Denus Ferguson is dead)

The post read: someone LIKE Dennis Ferguson

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Ok, lets transpose the situation to a shopping centre or a local park, a bus stop

Child is abducted, grandma bashed, shop held up at gunpoint, car break in: police are looking for potential witnesses

Officer: Excuse me mam, can you describe the assailant?

Witness: Yes officer, I saw the whole thing. They were about 5"10 high and were wearing a black covering like a sheet on a ghost at Holloween.

Officer: Do you recall: Hair colour, complexion, eye colour, male/female, any distinguishing marks/tattoos? Is it somone who you have seen in this area before?

Witness: They went East and fled on foot.

Officer: Please tell me, is there ANY thing that you could tell us that may help us to identify this person? ANYthing to help us get even a vague description of this person who you say just beat up your grandma and stole your handbag?

Witness: I have told you everything I know

Officer issues a BOLO: BOLO for 5"10; Casper the not so friendly ghost with a bad dye job....

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Or the victim could grab hold of the "black sheet" wrap it around themselves a bit so the assailant can't run off while still wearing it.

It would be a useful tool to hold the assailant with until police arrive or "yes, officer the assailant is the one running away with no clothes on"

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@azureline** wrote:

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(ps: Denus Ferguson is dead)

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That's absolutely fantastic! I'll alert the media and inform them that they can cancel all the Stranger Danger Initiatives. I'll tell them that because DF is dead there are no longer any predators of children, or of any person for that matter in Australia.... heck, we can maybe even abandon all Neighbourhood Watch programs, sack most of the police officers etc because Dennis Ferguson is dead, dismantle all security cameras etc, Hey, we can even call for the defence force to stand down because now that DF is dead international rime has been stamped out and there are no longer any external threats to Australia or its citizens.

You know what i meant. Don't be a muppet.

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@bushies.girl wrote:
Walking on water? Jesus in disguise perhaps?

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We will never know. It could be the Messiah, but it could also be just a naughty boy.

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Sadly most of my posts and threads have disappeared and that's why you can't respond.

I wasn't questioining whether you had read the Koran. I questioned the distorted view you (or anyone) would get if they based their views on Islam from the Koran alone. My comment suggested that the if you (or anyone) read the Bible, you would also get a distorted view of Christianity.

Unfortunately it appears that we aren't allowed to compare Islam with other religions on these boards so I can't elaborate.

Also, I have a translated copy of the Koran and I have read as much as I can. And no, I did not say I only read one page. 

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What do think Islam is? Islam's primary text is the Koran. I admit I had to struggle to read such ideas which are so alien to my way of seeing the world, but I don't believe my view of islam is at all distorted. My views are formed and informed by reading what Islam has to say in it's own texts.

Here is a link containing a (rather lengthy but very interesting) open letter to moderate Muslims from a  person who has also considered the issues concerning  Islam. Well worth  read.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/an-open-letter-to-moderat_b_5930764.html

[azureline**]

I did say I knew what you meant........................... but since he is dead and best forgotten, why use him as your example? People like him don't deserve to be remembered or have notoriety.

In any case, your name calling is inappropriate and interpersonal, please desist.

[icyfroth]

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@karliandjacko wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:
The photo of the Muslim family in the water - the adults aren't 'swimming' they are standing in the water. Big difference when fully clothed.

I haven't read any reports in the news of any Muslim women drowning in the ocean, lake or river while wearing traditional Muslim attire.

What is an ORTHODOX Muslim?

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It looks photoshopped anyway. They look like they're walking on water not in water. There is no rippling around the ankles or wetness of the fabric.

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I think you're questioning the wrong picture.

You mean this on re  photoshopping re rippling around the ankles and  abric wetness ?:

The one Am was commenting on and which you replied to is this one:

[icyfroth]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

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@muppet_detector wrote:

Martini, you live in a community where there is a strong Muslim presence, I don't. I have never seen someone wearing a burqa, but have seen a fair few where the face is visible.

But I ask you, in your community, if a person wearing a niqab approached a child and stole them, or committed some other crime, how would an onlooker identify or p[rovide a description of that operson for the authorities? Are you confident that you could definitively say that the person in the niqab was an innocent Muslim going about their daily business and not someone posing as a Muslim, someone l;ike Denis Ferguson, with the intent to avoid identification in order to commit some nefarious activity,

If you saw a person dressed in Niqab collect a child from school and then that child disappeared, could you definitively say that the person who collected the child was their parent, and thus something happened to the child after they were collected separate from their parent, as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child. Would you be able to recognize that that person wasn't the parent and perhaps intervene even?

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People are generally known to the child care/school staff and children know who their parents are, usually. If another person other than the parents were to collect them, then they need to show id and be on the list.

How do they know the difference from one person covered from head to toe to another? For instance if someone posing as the parent were to collect the child?

(ps: Denis Ferguson is dead)

The post read: someone LIKE Dennis Ferguson

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no, it didn't.

 as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child

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@muppet_detector wrote:

Martini, you live in a community where there is a strong Muslim presence, I don't. I have never seen someone wearing a burqa, but have seen a fair few where the face is visible.

But I ask you, in your community, if a person wearing a niqab approached a child and stole them, or committed some other crime, how would an onlooker identify or p[rovide a description of that operson for the authorities? Are you confident that you could definitively say that the person in the niqab was an innocent Muslim going about their daily business and not someone posing as a Muslim, someone l;ike Denis Ferguson, with the intent to avoid identification in order to commit some nefarious activity,

If you saw a person dressed in Niqab collect a child from school and then that child disappeared, could you definitively say that the person who collected the child was their parent, and thus something happened to the child after they were collected separate from their parent, as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child. Would you be able to recognize that that person wasn't the parent and perhaps intervene even?