Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[azureline**]

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@lightningdance wrote:

Accusing  a poster of name calling and accusing a poster of being interpersonal is against cs regulations.  Its not your place  to pass judgement on any poster.

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If a poster calls me names, I am well within my rights to ask them not to..................... or I could be deceitful and report their posts. I didn't.

It is not your place to accuse me of anything either, breaking the rules there ?

[azureline**]

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@am*3 wrote:
Anymore, or should we ban the burqa in Australia because one male in 4 years used one to commit a crime?

Carminta Mathews has been covered a few times in this thread already. A new law in both NSW & WA was brought in as a result.. Re police and other authorities were given powers to request veils, headgear lifted for identification purposes.
I guess you haven't read all this thread.

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neither garment worn was a burqa................... the guy wore sunglasses. He was disguising himself to rob someone in the street.

[cherry*135]

No they aren't banned by any law.

[debra9275]

That is commonly known as after school care & the children stay in the care of a teacher until the parents can pick them up.


At sporting events, schools and clubs, someone is likely to know who is picking up children as groups like that are usually quite social, you know everyone gets to know each other, kids play with each other etc. etc.

[nero_bolt]

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@am*3 wrote:
That photo was in response to icys comment, TA only wears speedos on the beach, he is NOT on the beach in that photo.

HE is at the beach, that picture is in front of MANLY beach  at MANLY BEACH.. Is there a problem with that? 

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Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is pictured today after giving a surfing lesson to former refugee Riz Wakil at Manly Beach. Picture: Tim HunterSource: The Daily Telegraph

READ the story and get informed....  http://www.news.com.au/national/abbott-surf-lesson-no-political-wipeout/story-e6frfkvr-1226051616641  

This topic is about the burqua a garmet that covers the entire body and face, not speedos...  Speedos dont cover much and the face is very visible

PLEASE stay on topic and the topic is....

Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

and nowhere do I see a single mention of a surf life saver in speedos as part of the topic..

 As you dont like speedos start a seperate topic about that and please stop hijacking this thread with off topic posts.

[icyfroth]

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the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I hadn't even seen any stories, and I thought of it. And I promise you that I am definitely sitting in Australia. What if I was a baddie?

If you were a baddie you might also consider wearing one of those pressure masks that burns victims have to wear - sometimes for years at a time. Maybe we should ban them in public. As far as I know, nobody in Australia  has every used one as a disguise ..... yet,  but, hey I still managed to think of it.

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am*3 wrote:

Goes back to the already mentioned.. Should balaclavas, full face helmets be banned ..incase a person wears one to commit a crime..pantyhose too, hoodies& sunglasses??

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Goodness what a hoot you 2 are! 

Some of your suggested disguises may cover the face but not the body.

Other examples I've seen given (not necessarily by you) cover the body but not the face.

But none of the above cover a body from head to toe quite in the voluminous way a burka does, do they?

Hence the suspicion it arouses.

[bushies.girl]

Obviously  "someone" couldn't handle the Truth  ....   lol

[cherry*135]

icy wrote: Some of your suggested disguises may cover the face but not the body.

You miss the WHOLE point

Re 'baddies' .. they cover their face so they can't be identified, don't need to wear a dress (burqa) to do that.

Re the burqa - the issue is 'face covering'.

By the way the ban in France is not a burqa ban it is -  A ban on face covering...  "Act prohibiting concealment of the face in public space"

Shakes head and runs away.___________________________________>>>>>

[imastawka]

Lighten up, guys.   I've seen niqabs at the Pancake Parlour. 

They move their veil forward from their mouth with one hand and

slide the fork underneath with the other.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@muppet_detector wrote:

Martini, you live in a community where there is a strong Muslim presence, I don't. I have never seen someone wearing a burqa, but have seen a fair few where the face is visible.

But I ask you, in your community, if a person wearing a niqab approached a child and stole them, or committed some other crime, how would an onlooker identify or p[rovide a description of that operson for the authorities? Are you confident that you could definitively say that the person in the niqab was an innocent Muslim going about their daily business and not someone posing as a Muslim, someone l;ike Denis Ferguson, with the intent to avoid identification in order to commit some nefarious activity,

If you saw a person dressed in Niqab collect a child from school and then that child disappeared, could you definitively say that the person who collected the child was their parent, and thus something happened to the child after they were collected separate from their parent, as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child. Would you be able to recognize that that person wasn't the parent and perhaps intervene even?

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Yes I do live in an areas with the second highest muslim population in Australia.

I also involve myself actively in their community. I go to their festivals, I visit the mosque, I chat with my neighbours, I shop in their shops which are my local ones. Yet, like you, I have never seen a burka.

I think your hypothetical is self defeating. I think most people would have a hard time recollecting any features that would identify a child abductor. Sadly, that's why so many children disappear in broad daylight without a trace.

So I would say it is the opposite - given the rarity of seeing a woman in a burka, EVERYONE would notice the presence.

But sure I see your point. Although given that we potential only have 500-700 burqa/nijab wearers in the country, the likelyhood of a burka wearing muslim woman being the kidnapper in that scenario is fairly low.

So could a paedophile dreaa as a muslim in a burka to kidnap a child. I suppose so. But why? A paedophile wouldn't need to dress in a burka to be unrecognisable - a bottle of hairdye/wig, new moustache, sunglasses, different clothes would also do the trick and would be far easier to get a hold of.