Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[purplecarrot-top]

I agree it is. Thanks for answering.

[cherry*135]

Iap* - how do they get alcohol in countries where there is a total ban (tourists not able to get it either)?

[iapetus_rocks]

I don't know which countries you mean. I can't think of any. Maybe Yemen?

It's the same as for illegal drugs in this country. They are still available to those who know who to ask.

(think . . black-market profiteers)

[cherry*135]

Brunei - This oil-rich country has some extremely strict laws – and pretty serious punishments, including flogging regarding alcohol use. While it’s illegal for the little people, however, the sultan of Brunei's family are known for hosting extravagant parties that don’t seem dry in the slightest.

Libya - Not only is alcohol banned in Libya, but the illicit booze that does make it in can be incredibly dangerous – in 2013, some bad ‘bokha’ (a local brew made from fruits like figs, dates or grapes) killed more than 50 people.

Saudi Arabia - imprisonment, fines & floggings. Foreigners subject to local laws also.



Bangladesh
While alcohol used to be illegal here entirely, the laws (and local habits) are now a little more fluid. Hotel bars — while incredibly expensive — are legal, and according to our sources, there are some “sketchy” bars outside the hotels as well.
To take home a bottle, however, you need a foreign passport, although there’s also a duty-free in the airport, and bribery will do wonders for locals obtaining a bottle or two, as well.

Iran

While illegal for Muslims – and harshly punished (an Iranian couple was sentenced to death for their third alcohol violation) – the country’s Christian minority are allowed to drink, and often distil arak, a moonshine made from raisins.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

Just an aside, but no men wear the hijab or the niqab or the buqa or the chador.

Can you explain why that is so?

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Muslim men also cover up - long trousers, sleeves and beards. The theory is the same - that all muslims should live and dress 'modestly.'

I should also point out that the word 'modestly' is not about covering flesh. It is about creating privacy. That is the same meaning that Jewish people have.

It's the reason Islamic architecture is designed the way it is with courtyards and screens.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@am*3 wrote:

The Govt doesn't have any intention at present to ban women from wearing a niqab in Australia, bit presumptious to be thinking of suitable penalties/fines (especially the excessive ones posted above)

French fine for wearing niqab in public:

The law imposes a fine of up to €150, and/or participation in citizenship education, for those who violate the law.

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Very different.

France is a completely secular country and no religious symbols are allowed from any religion. It has nothing to do with the possibility that some Muslim mum might be holding a plastic sword under her burka.

[iapetus_rocks]

France has adopted the policy of banning the blatant wearing of religious symbols in public, citing the reason that France is a secular country.

Now this ban, recent as it is, and affecting all religious symbols from all and any religion, is obviously aimed at Muslim women who wear the hijab or niqab or variants on the theme.

France approached the issue as a few of our current politicians have not.

Suggesting that we ban the burqa for visitors to  parliament house was a mistake, when all that was needed was to introduce a ban for attendees who wear any identity-concealing head-wear.

Just as in France, the issue here concerns community unease re the face-concealing Muslim dress forms. So, the restrictive  measure concerns all, though it is aimed at a specific group. I think the issue of security concerns is a bit of a red herring.

[cherry*135]

Security and/or identification reasons are red herrings.

France
"Judges at the European court of human rights (ECHR) have upheld France's burqa ban, accepting Paris's argument that it encouraged citizens to "live together".

The law, introduced in 2010, makes it illegal for anyone to cover their face in a public place. While it also covers balaclavas and hoods, the ban has been criticised as targeting Muslim women.

The case was brought by an unnamed 24-year-old French citizen of Pakistani origin, who wears both the burqa, covering her entire head and body, and the niqab, leaving only her eyes uncovered."

Will people in Australia accept No Nativity plays or Christmas celebrations in schools? France being a secular country doesn't allow those.

East to say lets ban the burqa because France did...but Australia isn't France. We don't have a large Muslim population like they do either (France 6-8.5%)

[iapetus_rocks]

Some cities in England have a very large Muslim population and did you know that there is an effective ban on non-Muslim people even walking through those particular neighborhoods?

It's not a ban enacted by the civil authorities, but it is a ban nonetheless, even if enforced by some very vigilant Mulsims who live there.

One religious group didctating to others (any others) who don't belong to that group, from even visiting certain areas of the UK. it's not an official ban, but defy it at your peril.

So, they complain about our intolerance of burqa-wearers, and yet . . .  any thinking person would call this hypocrisy on their part, but it's not hypocrisy; it's an expression of a particular point of view which holds those who disagree, in contempt. That contempt, often being expressed rather violently.

I don't want to that happening in Australia. hmmm, on reflection, I guess there are certain areas even in this country I might not want to visit.

[cherry*135]

This info won't suit some.

"Mr. Mullen [ University history teacher] said the biggest proponents of laïcité [secularism] in France are leftists, unlike many other countries where right-wing groups usually lead the charge against Muslim dress. He recalled joining a protest of Muslim women a few years ago and being confronted by other leftists."