Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[azureline**]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Can someone please explain why the laws of another country (laws that go beyond religion) are brought in as an argument against a garment of clothing women can choose to wear in Australia?

There are no laws requiring women to wear coverings in this country. We do not have stonings in this country.

It's just irrelevent to bring in the subjugation of women in some other country as somehow a reason to bring in laws in this country.

True. The proposed banning of wearing burqas in this country is not because we don't want Muslim women to wear them. It's because we don't want radicals or terrorists to enter or leave this country by concealing their identitly underneath them.

Particularly when we are tallking about so few women who actually wear something as 'confronting' as a burqa. What can it possibley be? 2000 women as an over estimate?

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really? how odd, the reasons given so far seem to be about it being "confronting" and intimidating" or hiding weapons. It's irrelevant because head coverings are removed for id purposes at airports etc.

[polksaladallie]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@micasheen wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

Pakistan

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Pakistan is a radical fully islamic country where women are routinely killed. Please enlighten us to whare this "bikini clad" woman was? what beach? I do not believe you, no sane person could.

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Of course I am lying.  My relative was lying.  The other posters here are lying.  Only you are all-knowing.

Pakistan is not a radical fully Islamic country.  There are many Christians there  There are Hindus there.  The people were wonderful, and welcomed incomers and tourists.

The beach was in Karachi.

Shall I get a statutory declaration for you?

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Micasheen?  No answer?  Hopefully, I have helped to broaden your knowledge about another culture a little and proven that sometimes people get it wrong.

[debra9275]

if the argument here is about concealment of weapons, anyone can conceal weapons in any garment.

Whether muslim women wear burquas here, means nothing to me either way,  if a woman chooses to dress that way for religious reasons, then it is her choice, I am defending that choice & I will not single out any one religion or race that I don't agree with

if as you say, the burqua represents suppression of women, why don't more women just escape as would be easy to do here. Why do they still choose to wear it?

I do not agree with  the suppression or stoning of women, I also do not agree with Israels latest attack on Gaza, but that is the world we live in

[icyfroth]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

I cannot defend it, no self respecting woman could, no woman could defend what this garment represents.

the garment represents freedom of choice within this country

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This country gives them freedom of choice but there's Austalian law, and then there's the word of the Prophet, Islam law. Which does not give devout Muslim women the choice to go into public places uncovered.

The country they happen to be residing in is immaterial.

If the burqa is used to conceal weapons or identity in this country, then it should be banned to be worn in public in this country.

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The quoran only states that women AND MEN dress modestly.(As does the Bible by the way)

And as I mentioned above, many islamic faiths have shed their head coverings. Just as many have shed the burqa for the hijab over the last 70 years. In much the same way that Western women started showing their ankles by the 1920s and their knees by the 1960's and their breasts by the 1970's...even though the Bible still makes it clear we are supposed to be dressing modestly and appropriately. Gees, according to the Bible any woman who has worn jeans (considered mens clothes) is on a straight path to hell lol!!

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Your example simply underlines the fact that Western culture has progressed while the Middle-Eastern culture has largely remained mired in the dark ages. 

[debra9275]

If we had a PM who was a muslim would we accept her wearing the full burqa in parliament? I think not..

as long as she had good policies for all Australians, it wouldn't worry me

[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

if the argument here is about concealment of weapons, anyone can conceal weapons in any garment.

Whether muslim women wear burquas here, means nothing to me either way,  if a woman chooses to dress that way for religious reasons, then it is her choice, I am defending that choice & I will not single out any one religion or race that I don't agree with

if as you say, the burqua represents suppression of women, why don't more women just escape as would be easy to do here. Why do they still choose to wear it?

I don't think it's that easy to "escape" a culture you were born and raised into. I think devout muslim women live under much more familial, cultural and/or religious pressure than we realise.

I do not agree with  the suppression or stoning of women, I also do not agree with Israels latest attack on Gaza, but that is the world we live in

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[polksaladallie]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

I know of a woman who had stones thrown at her in a mainly Muslim country.  She had on a bikini.  Only one guess as to which nationality she was by showing such disrespect.

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By this example, aren't you confirming that women are in mainly Muslim countries do not have a choice with regard to dress code?

This woman you know of showed disrespect to Islam law and was stoned for it.

Don't you think people should respect our laws as well, if the burqa were to be banned here?

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Women in Australia have limited choices also.  I have seen no topless visiting women in Martin Place. That would be about the same as a bikini on an Karachi beach. 

The woman I spoke of was not showing disrespect to Islam law, she was showing disrespect to the culture of her host country, just as the topless woman in Martin Place would be showing disrespect to the culture of her host country.

By the way, she was not stoned as the result of law, like the woman in the pic (if it was genuine), a few people who were walking on the beach threw a couple of stones at her.

[debra9275]

there are a lot of  ÏF's Icy

maybe they do, maybe they don't, it's not for me to say

[rabbitearbandicoot]

I haven't read all 39 pages of posts in this thread, and nor do I intend to, but .... 

as far as wearing items of clothing that may hide the identity of a person - why do all Financial Institutions (and maybe others too, I don't know) insist that helmets are removed when you enter their premises?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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I don't think it's that easy to "escape" a culture you were born and raised into. I think devout muslim women live under much more familial, cultural and/or religious pressure than we realise.

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Isn't that true of all cultures? But why is that a problem? 

I have my Italian culture ingrained in me including all the religious and mythical stuff that comes with that. My Greek friends do. My Muslims friends do.