Should we teach both Evolution and Intelligent Design in science classes?

[the_bob_delusion]

Should we teach both and let the students decide for themselves?

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[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

Funny how everything you quote, seems to stem from creationist websites - even the so-called 'spreadsheets' you devised - also available on creationist videos/websites/blogs.

If I were a suspicious person, I'd be inclined to think that all of your posts were designed to antagonize, and all actual 'data' drawn from those websites.

Websites which, by the way, have been so thoroughly discredited over the past 20 or so years, that doing so again is just not worth my time.

I'm going to leave this thread now - as I'm over debating tired old creationist hokum, that I discredited over 10 years ago. When you come up with a new and novel argument to attempt to justify your beliefs, I'll be sure to respond.

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so, now in addition to all the other names you have called me, you say I am a LIAR.

You Sir are the LIAR - 10,000 years my FAT AUNT!!!

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

"There are so many so called 'myths' throughout the world which speak of a great 'Deluge of Water' where only a few survived - too many for it to be coincidence. So, this is one  of the so called 'not even a scrap proves it to be true'??"

And curiously, they predate the bible by hundreds, possibly thousands of years! Don't forget that biblical historians date the flood to be around 4000 years ago.

Homer's Iliad, (written around 10,000 years ago - that's ten THOUSAND years), was also predated by the verbal accounts of Gilgamesh - possibly 1500 years before the Iliad.

Even if you accept modern scholars dating these much later, the fact remains that there's absolutely NO geological evidence for a flood.

So where does this leave Noah's flood?  Only around 6000 years AFTER the other two. But wait...there's more!

There's even more tales of floods, similar godly beings and superhumans like Jesus, but it's fatuously pointless even going there.

The two above clearly demonstrate my point. Well, to those with open minds, anyway!

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Did everyone know that Homer wrote Illiad 10,000 years ago? I certainly didn't. You learn something every day on these boards from the Super Educated ..... BUT ... wait...... 10,000 years ago ... that seems a little early for the Trogan Wars?? A little early for ANYONE to be writing too.

[k0llectable5]

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

Funny how everything you quote, seems to stem from creationist websites - even the so-called 'spreadsheets' you devised - also available on creationist videos/websites/blogs.

If I were a suspicious person, I'd be inclined to think that all of your posts were designed to antagonize, and all actual 'data' drawn from those websites.

Websites which, by the way, have been so thoroughly discredited over the past 20 or so years, that doing so again is just not worth my time.

I'm going to leave this thread now - as I'm over debating tired old creationist hokum, that I discredited over 10 years ago. When you come up with a new and novel argument to attempt to justify your beliefs, I'll be sure to respond.

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Well you lasted longer than I did lol.  It has been a decent discussion.  It is interesting to note though, the paradigm shift in regards to Christianity in Australia.  Where the Christians used to be the zealots trying to spread the good news and bring people closer to God through Jesus.  These days all I seem to find are over zealous evolutionists trying to "scientifically" enlighten all the arcaic Christians.

[wilk1149]

Well as school was actually invented to help create boys that could be then turned into soldiers by the army it would be good if it taught something other than destroying a child's imagination and creativity. Apparently LEGO did a study of children under four and found 30% had genius like creativity and by the age of eight it was down to 4% just like the adult population. School is destroying your child's mind and individualism. Another one of the reasons I won't have children

[azureline**]

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@wilk1149 wrote:
Well as school was actually invented to help create boys that could be then turned into soldiers by the army it would be good if it taught something other than destroying a child's imagination and creativity. Apparently LEGO did a study of children under four and found 30% had genius like creativity and by the age of eight it was down to 4% just like the adult population. School is destroying your child's mind and individualism. Another one of the reasons I won't have children

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but....but.... what if your chilren were in the 4% ?

Odd reasoning to not have children.

If you don't want children, don't have them would be my thought.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@curmu-curmu wrote:

Funny how everything you quote, seems to stem from creationist websites - even the so-called 'spreadsheets' you devised - also available on creationist videos/websites/blogs.

If I were a suspicious person, I'd be inclined to think that all of your posts were designed to antagonize, and all actual 'data' drawn from those websites.

Websites which, by the way, have been so thoroughly discredited over the past 20 or so years, that doing so again is just not worth my time.

I'm going to leave this thread now - as I'm over debating tired old creationist hokum, that I discredited over 10 years ago. When you come up with a new and novel argument to attempt to justify your beliefs, I'll be sure to respond.

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Well you lasted longer than I did lol.  It has been a decent discussion.  It is interesting to note though, the paradigm shift in regards to Christianity in Australia.  Where the Christians used to be the zealots trying to spread the good news and bring people closer to God through Jesus.  These days all I seem to find are over zealous evolutionists trying to "scientifically" enlighten all the arcaic Christians.

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AGREE.

The evolutionists are the only INTELLIGENT ones and the Christians (add all Believers here) are the idiots, mentally defectives, ignorant, uneducated morons. But, so be it! I'll stay one of those, thanks.

[k0llectable5]

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@wilk1149 wrote:
Well as school was actually invented to help create boys that could be then turned into soldiers by the army it would be good if it taught something other than destroying a child's imagination and creativity. Apparently LEGO did a study of children under four and found 30% had genius like creativity and by the age of eight it was down to 4% just like the adult population. School is destroying your child's mind and individualism. Another one of the reasons I won't have children

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Thats a very interesting point.  And sounds like an interesting study.  To be good at school you dont have to be all that intelligent, you just need to have a mainstream worldview.  Because essentially at public school it's the govt that calls the shots with the curriculum, funding etc.  It's not just school destroying young impressionable minds though.  It's the state of the entertainment industry, music industry, religion, fashion, social media, misuse of technology, parents that dont give a .... what happens to their kids, parents that cocoon their kids and spend their lives trying to turn their kids into what they wanted to be, a general break down of the family unit, all the gray areas in society now in terms of whats right and wrong, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical,  information vs misinformation vs disinformation.  Everything is an ism of some kind and anyone questioning the "official narrative" of anything will be unpopular.  

[myoclon1cjerk]

When I went to high school (private Catholic) evolution wasn't ever mentioned.A good thing we've moved on, here and in Europe from those days. Thanks Mr Darwin,Mr Galileo,Mr Einstein,Mr Newton and Mr Copernicus etc.

[azureline**]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
When I went to high school (private Catholic) evolution wasn't ever mentioned.A good thing we've moved on, here and in Europe from those days. Thanks Mr Darwin,Mr Galileo,Mr Einstein,Mr Newton and Mr Copernicus etc.

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Catholic Girl's School education in the 50's/60's.................. I was taught about creationism and evolution................ I learned that neither was a fact......................

Science is often amended.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@azureline** wrote:

Catholic Girl's School education in the 50's/60's.................. I was taught about creationism and evolution................ I learned that neither was a fact......................

Science is often amended.

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Christian belief is actually amended quite often, except for those who think they have been infallible for the last 2,000 years that is. That's why there are protestants and why, as truth becomes clearer (as predicted by Jesus) more people are recognising that the mainstream religions are more to do with their own traditions than teaching the truth and that they do not (and never did) have God's blessing.

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