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Wow, just... wow.

I saw this news online.

 

‘Silent civil war’: Irish teacher jailed for refusing to call boy a girl (msn.com)

 

This teacher has not only lost his job but is jailed indefinitely for failing to comply and call a boy a girl. Or use the term 'they'.

I particularly dislike the term 'they' for one person as the term is plural. The word 'it' would be more appropriate, in fact, or if someone is really uncomfortable, just call the child by name.

 

But the part that resonates with me is further down in the report, where it says that we are at the stage of compelling people to say things they don't believe in.

 

I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of someone 'transitioning'.

Just saying we should allow people their personal beliefs. Calling the child by name or 'him' is not a crime worth jailing anyone for, it is a travesty of justice.

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@imastawka wrote:

Conversely, I've never had a transgender or non-binary person ask me what pronouns would prefer.

 

Just sayin'

 


That made me laugh, I had to admit.

 I guess for me, what I am having trouble getting my head around is why things have got so out of hand that anyone needs to be jailed over this issue.

I do understand that the teacher in question might have been a difficult character and it was his subsequent behaviour that led to this but I am not sure why things had to escalate to that point.

 

The whole gender issue must be ramping up as I also saw a report that in England, some eagerly awaited inquiry results have stated that teachers or a school can decide to recognise the transgender or not and that the terms boys and girls can still be used and that there can still be separate toilets.

 

I didn't wish to bring my own views into it but I personally would not have a problem with recognising a transgender person, nor with recognising the medical necessity for some abortions.

But at the same time, I think it is ridiculous to call for the banning of terms such as boys and girls, which is definitely on the agenda. It isn't about me or my views but more about if there are ways to accommodate those with different views. Do we have to make these things into problems if we can avoid it?

 

What I suspect is happening in society-and probably this has always been the case and maybe it is even necessary for human survival-is that we are not becoming more tolerant at all (which is what some people think is happening), but rather, that we are exchanging one set of mainstream tolerances (and intolerances) for another.

 

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@bidicus*maximus wrote:

All of this business about pronouns seems silly to me when, "he" and "she" should suffice as general terms based on what you were born as.  Much like when, "man" is used instead of, "human" and refers to both men AND women.  Being so touchy as to require the rest of the world to bow down and use the pronoun that YOU prefer seems like a person is feeling more than a bit entitled, to me.  

 

As to the question that is really being asked, about how far a person should be allowed to express their own opinions at work, my opinion is, "not far at all"... especially if your opinions are in conflict with those of your employer.  Express your opinions on your own time, not while you are being paid to do your job.  I think that people tend to forget that while they are at work, they are the servant of their employers.  They are always free to seek employment elsewhere.


I would agree with that, except I think it does get tricky if for some people it becomes a matter of morality.

I used to teach and quite frankly, I thought some of the stuff we had to do was ridiculous but I did it anyway because it wasn't against my principles as  such, just not the best use of my time (in my opinion). eg, being told I was teaching Indonesian to my class from the next week onwards. I knew not one word of Indo, nor did most of my colleagues.

 

But I think when it comes to asking people to do something that  goes against their moral grain, sometimes employers can tweak things to accommodate an otherwise good worker.

Some other examples, say you have Jewish person who doesn't want to work from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. You may be able to work rosters around that.

 

Or an example from around here, a Muslim man who didn't want to handle alcohol or pork in his supermarket job.

Or someone with dyslexia and poor maths skills who can't work on registers because that person can't reliably count out change, but who can work brilliantly in eg the bakery section.

Masybe we can't always accommodate every person but with religious or moral beliefs, if we can, then why not?

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Countessalmirena... Very well written.. short and to the point..  Merry Christmas.

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@sandypebbles wrote:

Well apparently this 'teacher' was enough of a transphobic to happily put their career down the toilet all because they did'nt want to say a word 

 


It doesn't mean that someone is transphobic to regard someone born as a boy to not be a girl. Sure we have to respect all people but  some folks are old school.

 


@sandypebbles wrote:

 

'Back in the day' (even today) would this little man have the same attitude towards people of colour? who have 'disabilities' ? women in general? 

 


I don't know if he was a little man or a tall man. There's no need to draw a comparison with people of colour and what they have had endure. Many people who have a seething hatred from racism also have a set view in their minds of what a man is and what a woman is. I know people interracial relationships who have brought into this world the most sound, well adjusted people who have the "old school" views on what a male and what a female is.

 


@sandypebbles wrote:

 

prejudice is prejudice, regardless of your 'reason' 

 

Good riddance 


It may not be prejudice at all. It may just be that this person has a view of what a man should be and what a woman should be.

See, there are people who will fight for a "transexual" or "homosexual person" when they are picked on and  love them as their fellow human being.  But, they may internally feel that a transexual person  is the gender they were born with and they may feel that it is natural for a man to be with a woman and a woman to be with a man.

 

I think we should be kind to one another. But lets not crucify or go on a witch hunt for those who may just be "old school".

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@springyzone wrote:

Wow, just... wow.

I saw this news online.

 

‘Silent civil war’: Irish teacher jailed for refusing to call boy a girl (msn.com)

 

This teacher has not only lost his job but is jailed indefinitely for failing to comply and call a boy a girl. Or use the term 'they'.

I particularly dislike the term 'they' for one person as the term is plural. The word 'it' would be more appropriate, in fact, or if someone is really uncomfortable, just call the child by name.

 

But the part that resonates with me is further down in the report, where it says that we are at the stage of compelling people to say things they don't believe in.

 

I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of someone 'transitioning'.

Just saying we should allow people their personal beliefs. Calling the child by name or 'him' is not a crime worth jailing anyone for, it is a travesty of justice.


Craziness.  Thought crime punishment in action.

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@4channel wrote:

@springyzone wrote:

Wow, just... wow.

I saw this news online.

 

‘Silent civil war’: Irish teacher jailed for refusing to call boy a girl (msn.com)

 

This teacher has not only lost his job but is jailed indefinitely for failing to comply and call a boy a girl. Or use the term 'they'.

I particularly dislike the term 'they' for one person as the term is plural. The word 'it' would be more appropriate, in fact, or if someone is really uncomfortable, just call the child by name.

 

But the part that resonates with me is further down in the report, where it says that we are at the stage of compelling people to say things they don't believe in.

 

I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of someone 'transitioning'.

Just saying we should allow people their personal beliefs. Calling the child by name or 'him' is not a crime worth jailing anyone for, it is a travesty of justice.


Craziness.  Thought crime punishment in action.


 

Hi 4c.... do you understand why the teacher has been jailed?

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LOL - he even brought his crayons. 

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@repentatleisure1952 wrote:

Hi 4c.... do you understand why the teacher has been jailed?


Yes, I do see that he was jailed for coming back on site. I don't think he should have.  He was just standing what he thought was his ground.

 

I have zero time for racists . But I know here in Australia and the UK, Muslims and Africans can be scapegoated like you wouldn't believe! It's aleways been open season to launch blame and character attacks on Muslims in particular. It sickens me to the core!  But if anyone criticises certain things relating to what young kids may be exposed to, or addresses someone by their birth, they are almost put in a nazi category!

 

I respect all folk and encourage others to do so as well. But I understand where that teacher came from.  Perhaps he should have referred to person born a male, transitioning into what resembles a female as "That person".

 

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Where on earth did racism come into this. ??

 

 

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Close but no cigar.

 

He was jailed for Contempt of Court.

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