05-02-2015 08:32 PM - edited 05-02-2015 08:32 PM
Bali Nine: Australian poll showing support for death penalty misleading say critics
A poll finding a slim majority of Australians support the death penalty for Australian drug traffickers – seized upon by the Indonesian government to justify the killing of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran – is crude and misleading, according to critics.
The "snap" poll by Roy Morgan Research was conducted in January by sending an SMS to the company's database of people it had previously interviewed, an uncommon method.
But what has most concerned pollsters and lawyers for Chan and Sukumaran is the question that was asked, and the ones that were not.
Morgan asked: "In your opinion if an Australian is convicted of drug trafficking in another country & sentenced to death, should the penalty be carried out?"
Those contacted were asked to reply Y for "Yes" and N for "No".
Just over half of the 2123 people respondents, 52 per cent, replied by typing "Y" on their phones.
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Things that make you go mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
on 05-02-2015 11:18 PM
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Yep. Pretty much the same as running the country. Not owning up to your own short comings? Screams bogan.
Good gracious, Nevyn.there are quite a few epithets I could cheerfully apply to Tony Abbott, but I don't think bogan would be top of the list.
What has the prime minister got to do with this topic?
Tony Abbott obsession anyone?
on 05-02-2015 11:27 PM
I can't help but wonder if the results of the survey (and the level of the governments intervention) would have been different if the accused were female and/or 'dinky di' Aussies.
(PS. I don't agree with the death penalty but I do agree that you run your own risk when doing illegal things in another country)
on 05-02-2015 11:33 PM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I can't help but wonder if the results of the survey (and the level of the governments intervention) would have been different if the accused were female and/or 'dinky di' Aussies.
(PS. I don't agree with the death penalty but I do agree that you run your own risk when doing illegal things in another country)
I can't help but wonder if the accused were "dinky di" (read white) aussie males, (like Barlow and Chambers) they would have been dispatched without fanfare months ago.
on 05-02-2015 11:35 PM
Hey Martinus, havnt see you around for a while, welcome back 🙂
05-02-2015 11:38 PM - edited 05-02-2015 11:39 PM
I'm back but off again so only posting sporadically.
on 05-02-2015 11:39 PM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I can't help but wonder if the results of the survey (and the level of the governments intervention) would have been different if the accused were female and/or 'dinky di' Aussies.
(PS. I don't agree with the death penalty but I do agree that you run your own risk when doing illegal things in another country)
Why would it? These two were a step up from Corby, Or have I got it all wrong?
05-02-2015 11:42 PM - edited 05-02-2015 11:46 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I can't help but wonder if the results of the survey (and the level of the governments intervention) would have been different if the accused were female and/or 'dinky di' Aussies.
(PS. I don't agree with the death penalty but I do agree that you run your own risk when doing illegal things in another country)
I can't help but wonder if the accused were "dinky di" (read white) aussie males, (like Barlow and Chambers) they would have been dispatched without fanfare months ago.
Barlow and Chambers were "examples" that the Malaysians had to make.
I should also point out that both men had huge support from Australians and from the Australian Government at the time. Particularly by Hayden and Hawke.
Ditto with Corby who was in the news daily for how many years and had how many people and organisations trying to get her out?
A big difference to to the support these boys are being shown.
Barlow and Chambers were household names. Still are. Same with Corby. Most Australians don't evenb know the first names of these 2.
05-02-2015 11:51 PM - edited 05-02-2015 11:52 PM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I can't help but wonder if the results of the survey (and the level of the governments intervention) would have been different if the accused were female and/or 'dinky di' Aussies.
(PS. I don't agree with the death penalty but I do agree that you run your own risk when doing illegal things in another country)
I can't help but wonder if the accused were "dinky di" (read white) aussie males, (like Barlow and Chambers) they would have been dispatched without fanfare months ago.
Barlow and Chambers were "examples" that the Malaysians had to make.
I should also point out that both men had huge support from Australians and from the Australian Government at the time. Particularly by Hayden and Hawke.
Ditto with Corby who was in the news daily for how many years and had how many people and organisations trying to get her out?
A big difference to to the support these boys are being shown.
Barlow and Chambers were household names. Still are. Same with Corby. Most Australians don't evenb know the first names of these 2.
How long have these two been on death row? And the government was?
on 05-02-2015 11:53 PM
@nevynreally wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I can't help but wonder if the results of the survey (and the level of the governments intervention) would have been different if the accused were female and/or 'dinky di' Aussies.
(PS. I don't agree with the death penalty but I do agree that you run your own risk when doing illegal things in another country)
I can't help but wonder if the accused were "dinky di" (read white) aussie males, (like Barlow and Chambers) they would have been dispatched without fanfare months ago.
Barlow and Chambers were "examples" that the Malaysians had to make.
I should also point out that both men had huge support from Australians and from the Australian Government at the time. Particularly by Hayden and Hawke.
Ditto with Corby who was in the news daily for how many years and had how many people and organisations trying to get her out?
A big difference to to the support these boys are being shown.
Barlow and Chambers were household names. Still are. Same with Corby. Most Australians don't evenb know the first names of these 2.
How long have these to been on death row? And the government was?
I am not blaming the government. I don't see what your point is.
on 06-02-2015 01:06 AM
What do we have to accept in this world? A firing squad or setting someone alight?
Look at all the outrage about the Jordanian pilot. They applied their law and Indonesia applies their law. Both are wrong and barbaric.