Smokers and smoking, destroying the world

[joa_ell]

soulart2 -

Can I suggest that you start your own thread about your struggles with passive smoking ? 

Heather Crowe : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRXWjBxCb8

Hese's the topic youv'e been asking for. The number one cause of un natural death in the world is from a legal drug called tobacco. this is pushed to everyone from adults to children by a joint effort between the big tobacco companies and governments of the world. Why?, simple, theres money in it. Money made from the sold product, from taxes paid, and in money saved in retirement benifits governments no longer have to pay because the adict died long before their time. This also fits in with their plans of depopulation. You might have heard of softkill, well, tobacco is right up there at the top of the long list, even more harmfull than aspertaine.

What makes smoking such a major threat is you do not have to be a smoker for this to affect you, ruin your health, or posibilly cause death. In fact, in the last hundred years, more have died from this than all the world's wars, criminal homicides, and accidents combined.

If you know someone who has been affected by this demon in plain sight, post a reply and let us know. Through discussion and reaching out to communites, Lets encourage those we know who currently smoke to give it up. The future of humanity depends on what we do in the here and now. Thanks

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@chuk_77 wrote:

the OP cant see past their own feelings and look at other peoples. This thread shows it. They started up in a support thread for someone trying to stop smoking. How is that showing encouragement. How does someone saying that smokers are destroying the world show encouragement? 

Maybe this person should actually read what is said when others say just how hard it is to stop and how depressed a person can feel when they try and stop. This thread is not helping anyone who is trying to stop smoking

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The floggings will continue until morale improves.

[joa_ell]

Both my grandfathers died well before that age. late 50s, maybe early 60s. I was too young and only knew them as sick and suffering from cancer. The first to go was on mom's side, my only memory is seeing him in bed and in pain. The other one, I remember more of him, but only of him sitting in a chair or on the coutch smoking that pipe and filling the room with a foul stench to where I had to take a deep breath, hold it, and run through to get from the kitchen to the bedroom. Probibly offended him, I don't know. There was a time when we got home from a visit to my grandparents, where mom and dad was determined to cure me of what they called my adversion to smoking. Basically, they took turns holding me down while the other would blow smoke in my face.

My mom died at 63 and no one disputes that it was from smoking, however she smoked right up to the end. I have begged my dad to quit. He is 66 and has pain in his hip and bones. Still uncertain as to the cause.

I have an uncle, my dad's oldest brother, well up into his 80s, who don't smoke nor does his wife. It's a non smoking household. They are very active, in decent health for their age. By far, my favorate relitives. They have 4 children and half of them smoke, the other two used to for a short time but haven't in many years.

Everyone I see around here smokes, I have yet to find a non smoker in this area. Even the poor, who one would think couldn't afford it, somehow is able to smoke. Where are they getting them from?

[this-one-time-at-bandcamp]

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I can only agree with grandad dying of smoking at 102 lol.

Ah, but he died of Alzheimer's.........

[bright.ton42]

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@joa_ell wrote:

Both my grandfathers died well before that age. late 50s, maybe early 60s. I was too young and only knew them as sick and suffering from cancer. The first to go was on mom's side, my only memory is seeing him in bed and in pain. The other one, I remember more of him, but only of him sitting in a chair or on the coutch smoking that pipe and filling the room with a foul stench to where I had to take a deep breath, hold it, and run through to get from the kitchen to the bedroom. Probibly offended him, I don't know. There was a time when we got home from a visit to my grandparents, where mom and dad was determined to cure me of what they called my adversion to smoking. Basically, they took turns holding me down while the other would blow smoke in my face.

My mom died at 63 and no one disputes that it was from smoking, however she smoked right up to the end. I have begged my dad to quit. He is 66 and has pain in his hip and bones. Still uncertain as to the cause.

I have an uncle, my dad's oldest brother, well up into his 80s, who don't smoke nor does his wife. It's a non smoking household. They are very active, in decent health for their age. By far, my favorate relitives. They have 4 children and half of them smoke, the other two used to for a short time but haven't in many years.

Everyone I see around here smokes, I have yet to find a non smoker in this area. Even the poor, who one would think couldn't afford it, somehow is able to smoke. Where are they getting them from?

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I'm truly sorry all that happened in your life, and the loss of your relatives like that. 

But I'm not sure if all of it can be blamed on smoking. 

I know of very elderly people who enjoy good health and do smoke , not that I'm condoning it.

My mum died of lung cancer and never smoked.

What I'm trying to say is there are anomalies.  Let's  not forget other contributors to serious illhealth, like the carcinogens caused by traffic emissions,  .  I can walk past a group of smokers in the city streets and smell no smoke because of the smog and  traffic fumes.   Air pollution causes cancer and probably a myriad assortment of lethal lung/heart conditions.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/17/air-pollution-causes-cancer-world-health-organisa...

I'm an ex smoker and quit of my own accord.  When I did smoke I made sure I was not near anyone and I have found that more and more smokers  do the same now.    In my case it was a nightmare to quit, it took ages, but I managed it somehow.  I remember an alcoholic 'friend' preaching at  me for smoking.  This person was drinking himself to death as did happen. 

I don't know of any smoker who would not like to quit, but I believe they have the right to smoke without interference and lecturing unless they  are  affecting  others.,  If attempting quitters seek encouragement by all means give it, otherwise let them work at it themselves.

It's very unfortunate you are surrounded by what sounds to be inconsiderate smokers who blow it every which way.  Yes the poor manage to smoke but a lot would go without decent food to do it. 

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[jessicadazzler97]

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@jessicadazzler wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

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@underbat wrote:

Hello everyone - please remember to keep things civil, debate is welcome, but try not to descend into interpersonal disputes.

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oops too llate - jessica has already done that...

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 Oh Pepe, your words are like a knife to my heart... 😛

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oops i forgot to add the smiley face that makes everything ok.
silly me

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 That's ok Pepe, we're cool 🙂

[jessicadazzler97]

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@joa_ell wrote:

Both my grandfathers died well before that age. late 50s, maybe early 60s. I was too young and only knew them as sick and suffering from cancer. The first to go was on mom's side, my only memory is seeing him in bed and in pain. The other one, I remember more of him, but only of him sitting in a chair or on the coutch smoking that pipe and filling the room with a foul stench to where I had to take a deep breath, hold it, and run through to get from the kitchen to the bedroom. Probibly offended him, I don't know. There was a time when we got home from a visit to my grandparents, where mom and dad was determined to cure me of what they called my adversion to smoking. Basically, they took turns holding me down while the other would blow smoke in my face.

My mom died at 63 and no one disputes that it was from smoking, however she smoked right up to the end. I have begged my dad to quit. He is 66 and has pain in his hip and bones. Still uncertain as to the cause.

I have an uncle, my dad's oldest brother, well up into his 80s, who don't smoke nor does his wife. It's a non smoking household. They are very active, in decent health for their age. By far, my favorate relitives. They have 4 children and half of them smoke, the other two used to for a short time but haven't in many years.

Everyone I see around here smokes, I have yet to find a non smoker in this area. Even the poor, who one would think couldn't afford it, somehow is able to smoke. Where are they getting them from?

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 I guess they just buy that instead of proper food, clothes, etc. It amazes me how half the population of my town can afford to smoke but they can't afford their rent or to pay for their kids to go on school trips... Wonder why?

[joa_ell]

My mum died of lung cancer and never smoked.

So did Heather Crowe. Did you look at the link in the opening post?

I never mentioned my other uncle who smoked. Also my dad's older brother but much closer to dad in age than the oldest who don't smoke i mentioned. He died about the time I finished school, guessing in his early to mid 50s. This hit my grandmother hard as that was her 2ed born son and well, as I understand, children aren't supposed to pass away before their mothers. He did however out live his dad, my grandpa, but not by very much. That grandmother hung on until 1995 and had a stroke.

When you hear of people who don't smoke dying of smoking related things like lung cancer, stop to consider if they were exposed to second hand smoke, how often, ect. I don't know if this is the case with you Mum, BTW- (sorry to hear that) but is is something to think about.

They are not supposed to smoke in the hallways here where I live, but I have not said anything for fear it would not be taken well. I did put a "no smoking" sign on my door, it's more of a small sticker. Sometimes it does seem to get in, I'll smell it in the night sometimes and shut my bedroom door. I only leave it open to get the air condisioning from the living room, but I close it when I smell the smoke, maybe it comes through the walls, vents, cracks, hard to tell.

I know it's hard to quit, my aunt quit for a time, I was so proud of her, but she lost the battle and went back to smoking. This was about the time of my mother's death. Doctors linked my mom's cancer directly to smoking, and everyone else seemed to agree that the cause. She skipped doctors apointments, and almost never got the routine checkups, so it wasn't until she collapsed, and even then refused to get into an ambulance, that the cancer was found out.

Because of the smoking, our relationship as mother and daughter was not ever very good. In short, I just couldn't stand to be around her. She was always smoking, or craving it to the point of becoming very unpleasent if she had to go very long without it. It was really like a major addiction.

[bright.ton42]

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@jessicadazzler wrote:

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 I guess they just buy that instead of proper food, clothes, etc. It amazes me how half the population of my town can afford to smoke but they can't afford their rent or to pay for their kids to go on school trips... Wonder why?

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Yes indeed jessica.

[bright.ton42]

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@joa_ell wrote:

My mum died of lung cancer and never smoked.

So did Heather Crowe. Did you look at the link in the opening post?

I never mentioned my other uncle who smoked. Also my dad's older brother but much closer to dad in age than the oldest who don't smoke i mentioned. He died about the time I finished school, guessing in his early to mid 50s. This hit my grandmother hard as that was her 2ed born son and well, as I understand, children aren't supposed to pass away before their mothers. He did however out live his dad, my grandpa, but not by very much. That grandmother hung on until 1995 and had a stroke.

When you hear of people who don't smoke dying of smoking related things like lung cancer, stop to consider if they were exposed to second hand smoke, how often, ect. I don't know if this is the case with you Mum, BTW- (sorry to hear that) but is is something to think about.

They are not supposed to smoke in the hallways here where I live, but I have not said anything for fear it would not be taken well. I did put a "no smoking" sign on my door, it's more of a small sticker. Sometimes it does seem to get in, I'll smell it in the night sometimes and shut my bedroom door. I only leave it open to get the air condisioning from the living room, but I close it when I smell the smoke, maybe it comes through the walls, vents, cracks, hard to tell.

I know it's hard to quit, my aunt quit for a time, I was so proud of her, but she lost the battle and went back to smoking. This was about the time of my mother's death. Doctors linked my mom's cancer directly to smoking, and everyone else seemed to agree that the cause. She skipped doctors apointments, and almost never got the routine checkups, so it wasn't until she collapsed, and even then refused to get into an ambulance, that the cancer was found out.

Because of the smoking, our relationship as mother and daughter was not ever very good. In short, I just couldn't stand to be around her. She was always smoking, or craving it to the point of becoming very unpleasent if she had to go very long without it. It was really like a major addiction.

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Well I have seen Heather Crowe's story  now and thank goodness changes are being made in the workplace.  Too late for the poor woman thoiugh.   .

You ask if my mum was exposed to second hand smoke and I have to be be brutally hones and say you are right, my dad was a chain smoker though he died abt 20 years  before my mum,  but who is to say? Apparently the tumour can take years to develop and even though I've quit i know I could still be affected. 

I'm so sorry that your mum died from smoking.  From my understanding a tumour caused by smoking is aggressive , whereas one not caused by direct smoking is slower, as it was with my mum.  Even so ........

That is very difficult living in a place where the majority are smokers,  and yes it would get into the aircon. and through the vents.I'm not sure what could be done unless the owners stepped in and made it mostly smoke free. .

I've been reading up on people who live in flats (as I do)  where nearby neighbours smoke all the time, like on balconies above, and a lot say they can't even sit in their courtyards anymore.  This is very hard to police but it's keeping the legal profession busy,  I'm very lucky as those above me don't smoke.

Yes from experience, smoking is a major additcion alright and I never thught I'd quit, i was just lucky I guess.  It took me many attempts though, was very hard.