15-09-2014 04:54 PM - edited 15-09-2014 04:56 PM
Do you agree......???
JACQUI Lambie wants those in Australia who support sharia law to “pack up their bags and get out of here”.
The Palmer United Party Senator is also calling for them to be kicked off government benefits and not be allowed to vote in this country.
The outspoken Tasmanian, whose recent comments about the threat of a Chinese communist invasion caused a stir, this morning turned her sights on sharia law supporters.
“Anybody that supports Sharia law in Australia should not have the right to vote, should not be given government handouts and should probably pack up their bags and get out of here,” she told reporters in Hobart.
“Anybody supporting or calling for sharia law in Australia can get out. Simple as that.”
Earlier on radio 3AW Senator Lambie praised the Coalition for raising the country’s terror alert level to high — a move she said should have probably happened months ago.
But she warned she was more worried about veterans being “pushed back into the war zone” without adequate help when they returned, while “supporters of sharia law are allowed access to government benefits”.
“We are giving government benefits to those under sharia law … and I simply believe that those supporters who support sharia law should not have the right to vote with their allegiance to a foreign power.”
Senator Lambie said sharia law was “an underlying problem” in Australia.
“Unless we put our foot down on it now it’s only going to become bigger and more dangerous well into the future.”
The former veteran has previously called for a Royal Commission into the Defence Force and the Department of Veterans Affairs.
on 16-09-2014 10:33 AM
@lightningdance wrote:
@tall_bearded01 wrote:So in your opinion those Islamic fundamentalist minority groups, which even the mainstream Islamic community in Australia say exists and regularly publically condem, you know the ones that are recruiting and brainwashing Australians to fight for the Islamic State, don’t exist.
In the alterative, if you accept they exist, why do you find it so hard accept that these said same groups hold themselves and their followers bound by Sharia Law, and are on the public record as saying, where there is conflict between Australian Law and Sharia Law, Sharia Law takes precedence.
Blinkers - Blind
Correct, Sharia Law is anathema to the free thinking woman. Sharia law was introduced in Afghanistan after the war and women died by the 1000's were stoned to death and starved on the street at the hands of the Taliban who imposed Sharia. Women were less valuable than dogs under the taliban and sharia.
Sharia cannot be tolerated in the 21st century or any other century for that matter. Sharia should be fought agains in any western country at all costs. Sharia is practiced in secret in this country, by a few, that is a fact.
Trying to equate sharia to any modern religion is sickening and appeasing in the extreme.
Sharia is against humanity in all forms and in the hands of men it's women and humanity who suffer.
Now, that is not very accurate, is it?
In 1989, rebels funded and trained by the U.S. overthrew the nine-year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, after which various rival groups vied for control. In 1996, the Taliban consolidated power in most areas of the country and seized control of the capital, Kabul. The Taliban imposed an extreme version of Islamic Sharia law that allowed for enormous human rights violations against women. Under the Taliban regime, women were barred from attending school, working or leaving the house without a male escort, prevented from seeking medical help from a male doctor, and forced to cover themselves from head to foot.
on 16-09-2014 10:44 AM
Most existing Afghan civil law has not been updated or modified since the socialist period of the 1970s. As in many Muslim countries, Afghan civil law co-exists with Islamic Sharia law, as well as tribal and customary law which are often used to resolve many conflicts in Afghan society. Understanding the proper balance between these varied bodies of law is highly complex
on 16-09-2014 10:56 AM
My comment was directed purely at extremism.
What some people seem to overlook is that most Muslims living in Australia, or at least those who I know, want to continue to follow Sharia traditions, but don’t want a bar of the “law” bit.
That is, they, like us, want to be left alone to practice their religion, and accept that others have a right to do the same, and this, for the vast majority, is one of the reasons they came here in the first place. Or to put it another way, they left countries where their religious beliefs where prescribed for them by law, and having successfully left that behind, they don’t want a bar of anyone who wants to introduce the same here.
Furthermore, I for one am not prepared to vilify a whole community because of the existence of a small overly vocal and potentially dangerous minority within its ranks. Instead I think my time is better spent leaving those who form the decent law abiding majority alone to get on with their lives in the manner that they deem fit, but at the same time being wary of the small, overly vocal minority, so if things get out of hand, I am can identify the threat and react to it.
NB:
This I the reason why I do not support the Government’s decision to stop these lunatics from going to fight in Iraq and Syria, if for no other reason, from what I have seen, in a stiaght out gun fight, they would be outmatched by the Australian Army Catering Corp.
The point, they were radicalised before they left Australia so no further harm can be done on that front. And in any event, from what I’ve seen, the quality of the military training being provided is bearly equivalent to what we used to give to School Cadets, and so, with any luck, most will find themselves in a shallow grave somewhere a long way away from here.
on 16-09-2014 11:00 AM
@tall_bearded01 wrote:Just responding to your “No Islamic group in this country is or has ever called for the government to chage it's law to Sharia law”,
Now, I have never, in this post or any other place asserted the vast majority Muslims living in Australia see Sharia as anything other than a code. But the fact remains that within that group exists a dangerous minority who see Sharia in a different light. They see it as a law handed down by God and as such they have a right to impose on others. A group whose very existence of which, your previous post seems to deny.
there is no point in denying there are certain small
groups who would like to see the law changed.
it is for that reason that we have this topic come up
from time to time.
The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils wants Muslims to be able to marry, divorce and conduct financial transactions under the principles of sharia law.
In a submission to the Federal Parliament's Committee on Multicultural Affairs, the Federation has asked for the change.
It argues that all Australians would benefit if Islamic laws were adopted as mainstream legislation.
That is not a view shared by many other contributors to the usually low-profile committee.
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But Federal Attorney-General Robert McClelland has ruled out any chance of sharia law being introduced to Australia.
In a statement released to the ABC, Mr McClelland said: "There is no place for sharia law in Australian society and the Government strongly rejects any proposal for its introduction.
"Australia's brand of multiculturalism promotes integration. If there is any inconsistency between cultural values and the rules of law then Australian law wins out."
from abc news
i think it was keysar trad who also spoke about legalising
polygamy in australia.
Sydney Muslim community leader Keysar Trad says he has spoken with both Labor and the Liberals about running for Federal Parliament, but neither has given him the nod.
from abc news
on 16-09-2014 11:03 AM
@azureline** wrote:
@lightningdance wrote:
@tall_bearded01 wrote:So in your opinion those Islamic fundamentalist minority groups, which even the mainstream Islamic community in Australia say exists and regularly publically condem, you know the ones that are recruiting and brainwashing Australians to fight for the Islamic State, don’t exist.
In the alterative, if you accept they exist, why do you find it so hard accept that these said same groups hold themselves and their followers bound by Sharia Law, and are on the public record as saying, where there is conflict between Australian Law and Sharia Law, Sharia Law takes precedence.
Blinkers - Blind
Correct, Sharia Law is anathema to the free thinking woman. Sharia law was introduced in Afghanistan after the war and women died by the 1000's were stoned to death and starved on the street at the hands of the Taliban who imposed Sharia. Women were less valuable than dogs under the taliban and sharia.
Sharia cannot be tolerated in the 21st century or any other century for that matter. Sharia should be fought agains in any western country at all costs. Sharia is practiced in secret in this country, by a few, that is a fact.
Trying to equate sharia to any modern religion is sickening and appeasing in the extreme.
Sharia is against humanity in all forms and in the hands of men it's women and humanity who suffer.
Now, that is not very accurate, is it?
In 1989, rebels funded and trained by the U.S. overthrew the nine-year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, after which various rival groups vied for control. In 1996, the Taliban consolidated power in most areas of the country and seized control of the capital, Kabul. The Taliban imposed an extreme version of Islamic Sharia law that allowed for enormous human rights violations against women. Under the Taliban regime, women were barred from attending school, working or leaving the house without a male escort, prevented from seeking medical help from a male doctor, and forced to cover themselves from head to foot.
Nit picking doesn't excuse the barbarism of sharia, as a woman I'm aghast that you would support anything to do with it.
on 16-09-2014 11:07 AM
Well, I am often aghast that anyone might suggest I am supporting anything, just by discussing it. I am not in control of anyone elses's choices.
on 16-09-2014 11:14 AM
@azureline** wrote:Well, I am often aghast that anyone might suggest I am supporting anything, just by discussing it. I am not in control of anyone elses's choices.
Me too.
Jacqui has really let the nuts out of the bag with this one, although I haven't seen the original footage so don't know how selective the news corpses have been in filtering this snippet of info to the masses. They have certainly acheived the desired outcome of people arguing about that which they have very limited knowledge and understanding. It plays right into the "war drum" that Abbott is beating.
on 16-09-2014 11:15 AM
Sharia Law is a moral code that does exactly what the Christian Bible does - it explains how to live you life.
Lucky for us you haven't taken the most obscure passages out of your Bible and followed some of those rule or you would be in prison right now.
ok i am curious - what are those passages?
i wouldn't have a clue where to even start looking
but - the only offence that could land you in prison that
i can think of would be disturbing the peace - using
Jesus' example of turning over tables in the temple -
he did get crucified for that didnt he
i cant think of anything that Jesus would teach that could
make you commit crime ??? just going by bible stories from
many yrs ago.
on 16-09-2014 11:20 AM
@*julia*2010 wrote:Sharia Law is a moral code that does exactly what the Christian Bible does - it explains how to live you life.
Lucky for us you haven't taken the most obscure passages out of your Bible and followed some of those rule or you would be in prison right now.
ok i am curious - what are those passages?
i wouldn't have a clue where to even start looking
but - the only offence that could land you in prison that
i can think of would be disturbing the peace - using
Jesus' example of turning over tables in the temple -
he did get crucified for that didnt he
i cant think of anything that Jesus would teach that could
make you commit crime ??? just going by bible stories from
many yrs ago.
I think there were some passages quoted back a bit.................. they are there, Bible stories are a bit different to actual Bible passages. The Bible was written by men. 🙂
I have no doubt we pick out the best of the Bible when we want to............... just like the Koran
on 16-09-2014 11:24 AM
@azureline** wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:and what if they are Australian by birth? and have no country to "go back to"
did she say to go back to or just get out?
obviously to those places governed by sharia law.
so, get out, to where? other countries don't just let you live there..............
r u kidding? immigrating in order to adopt
sharia law - they'd be welcomed with open arms
@*julia*2010 wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:and what if they are Australian by birth? and have no country to "go back to"
did she say to go back to or just get out?
obviously to those places governed by sharia law.
so, get out, to where? other countries don't just let you live there..............
r u kidding? immigrating in order to adopt
sharia law - they'd be welcomed with open arms
where exactly? and how will they apply?
LOL i'm not an immigration adviser but ineedamartini
mentioned there are 6 or 8 countries to choose from.
pick one - go for a holiday and apply for asylum
or find out if they have a consular official here.
i'm sure there is a way