Supporters of sharia law to ‘get out’ of Australia.

[nero_bolt]

Do you agree......??? 

JACQUI Lambie wants those in Australia who support sharia law to “pack up their bags and get out of here”.

The Palmer United Party Senator is also calling for them to be kicked off government benefits and not be allowed to vote in this country.

The outspoken Tasmanian, whose recent comments about the threat of a Chinese communist invasion caused a stir, this morning turned her sights on sharia law supporters.

“Anybody that supports Sharia law in Australia should not have the right to vote, should not be given government handouts and should probably pack up their bags and get out of here,” she told reporters in Hobart.

“Anybody supporting or calling for sharia law in Australia can get out. Simple as that.”

Earlier on radio 3AW Senator Lambie praised the Coalition for raising the country’s terror alert level to high — a move she said should have probably happened months ago.

But she warned she was more worried about veterans being “pushed back into the war zone” without adequate help when they returned, while “supporters of sharia law are allowed access to government benefits”.

“We are giving government benefits to those under sharia law … and I simply believe that those supporters who support sharia law should not have the right to vote with their allegiance to a foreign power.”

Senator Lambie said sharia law was “an underlying problem” in Australia.

“Unless we put our foot down on it now it’s only going to become bigger and more dangerous well into the future.”

The former veteran has previously called for a Royal Commission into the Defence Force and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/jacqui-lambie-calls-for-supporters-of-sharia-law-to-g...

[icyfroth]

Yes the 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I do not agree with you on this as Christians moved past the dark ages and moved into the light. Sharia is a barbaric law taken by men to hurt women and excuse their barbaric behaviour. Sharia is still stuck in the dark ages of barbarism.

Most christians have moved past it - there are still a few with very primitive beliefs.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/6442360/man-jailed-for-life-over-religious-killing/

The court was told Pickett was an extremely religious man who killed his former wife after the breakdown of their 23 year marriage because he thought she was in another relationship and that went against his interpretation of the bible.

Justice Peter Blaxell said Pickett who is a Jehovah's Witness continued to justify the killing by saying he saved his former wife from sin.

I'm sure Picket's belief was not shared by most Jehovah's Witnessess, but by the same token, how many Muslims living in Australia do you imagine wish Australia to be governed by Sharia Law or even to live by the extremes of that law themselves? 

Islam, like Christianity Is not one unified belief system - there are probably as many different interpretations of Islam as there are Christian Churches. Is Sharia Law n one immutable set of rules governng All Muslims or do the rules vary according to which culture you belong to and which branch of Islam you follow?

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The Sharia Law interpretation of Islam is the one under discussion She-el.

[karliandjacko]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@lightningdance wrote:

echo echo of the same defence of barbarism.

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Which specific, religiously inspired barbarisms do you believe - as an atheist - I am defending?

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I think you're being accused of defending the baddie barbarian killers that the goodie nonbarbarian killers seek to kill.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@tall_bearded01 wrote:

Just responding to your “No Islamic group in this country is or has ever called for the government to chage it's law to Sharia law”,

Now, I have never, in this post or any other place asserted the vast majority Muslims living in Australia see Sharia as anything other than a code. But the fact remains that within that group exists a dangerous minority who see Sharia in a different light. They see it as a law handed down by God and as such they have a right to impose on others. A group whose very existence of which, your previous post seems to deny.

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What law (singular) exactly are you referring to?

Is it the one that tells them to behead journalists in Syria? That law doesn't actually exist in the Koran although ironically there are plenty of references in the Bible asking us to behead the Philistines...

And how are they imposing it on others? Do they visit your house like a Jehovas Witness does in the hope of converting you? Do they hand out brochures on the street like my local Baptist Church does? Do they employ call centres to telephone your private house to request donations to their charities and fund raisers like most Christian churches do?

Blinkers indeed...

[i-need-a-martini]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Sharia Law is a moral code that does exactly what the Christian Bible does - it explains how to live you life.

Lucky for us you haven't taken the most obscure passages out of your Bible and followed some of those rule or you would be in prison right now.

ok i am curious - what are those passages?

i wouldn't have a clue where to even start looking

but - the only offence that could  land you in prison that

i can think of would be disturbing the peace -  using

Jesus' example of turning over tables in the temple -

he did get crucified for that didnt he

i cant think of anything that Jesus would teach that could

make you commit crime ???   just going by bible stories from

many yrs ago.

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Well as it is on topic, wasn't it David that went forth and started beheading the Philistines on the strength of the word of the Lord?

There are plenty of passages easily searched if you need more.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@lightningdance wrote:

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agree, comparing the bible to the barbaric practice of sharia?? no sorry, she can't.  And even if some old testament was quoted this is not the christian way in the 21st century, the enlightenment changed all that for all time.

It's a spurious comparison under any circumstance and should be called out for what it is, ignorance.

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What barbaric practice?

Why are you all talking as if there is some singular written rule called the Sharia?

What on earth are you all referring to?

And it is worth pointing out that the old Testament is still in print production, it is still referenced in churches and many people still use it.

[Anonymous]

What law (singular) exactly are you referring to?

i think they maybe referring to 'hudud'  ?????

(you can google that)

[i-need-a-martini]

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@icyfroth wrote:

Yes the 

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I do not agree with you on this as Christians moved past the dark ages and moved into the light. Sharia is a barbaric law taken by men to hurt women and excuse their barbaric behaviour. Sharia is still stuck in the dark ages of barbarism.

Most christians have moved past it - there are still a few with very primitive beliefs.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/6442360/man-jailed-for-life-over-religious-killing/

The court was told Pickett was an extremely religious man who killed his former wife after the breakdown of their 23 year marriage because he thought she was in another relationship and that went against his interpretation of the bible.

Justice Peter Blaxell said Pickett who is a Jehovah's Witness continued to justify the killing by saying he saved his former wife from sin.

I'm sure Picket's belief was not shared by most Jehovah's Witnessess, but by the same token, how many Muslims living in Australia do you imagine wish Australia to be governed by Sharia Law or even to live by the extremes of that law themselves? 

Islam, like Christianity Is not one unified belief system - there are probably as many different interpretations of Islam as there are Christian Churches. Is Sharia Law n one immutable set of rules governng All Muslims or do the rules vary according to which culture you belong to and which branch of Islam you follow?

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The Sharia Law interpretation of Islam is the one under discussion She-el.

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The comparison to Christianity is entirely appropriate for this discussion as it provides contect to the topic.

If we are banning the following of Sharia principles because some people take them to the extreme, then shouldn't we be applying the same thought and debate to Christian principles because some take them to the extreme?

[lightningdance]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Sharia Law is a moral code that does exactly what the Christian Bible does - it explains how to live you life.

Lucky for us you haven't taken the most obscure passages out of your Bible and followed some of those rule or you would be in prison right now.

ok i am curious - what are those passages?

i wouldn't have a clue where to even start looking

but - the only offence that could  land you in prison that

i can think of would be disturbing the peace -  using

Jesus' example of turning over tables in the temple -

he did get crucified for that didnt he

i cant think of anything that Jesus would teach that could

make you commit crime ???   just going by bible stories from

many yrs ago.

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Well as it is on topic, wasn't it David that went forth and started beheading the Philistines on the strength of the word of the Lord?

There are plenty of passages easily searched if you need more.

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THE 21ST CENTURY....hello, there is no such doings by christian churches in THE 21ST CENTRUY, BUT  we are witness to barbarism of the sharia today now in the 21st century so you cannot get away with that comparison.

Christian churches are not preaching beheading, amputations, death by stoning, live burials and mass murder, ethnic cleansing,   jihad against all the infidels, Show me where, today, Christian churches are preaching this.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

What law (singular) exactly are you referring to?

i think they maybe referring to 'hudud'  ?????

(you can google that)

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I don't need to Google it.

But as I noted way up top somewhere, in THIS country no cleric has ever requested a change to our federal laws to take on extremes of Sharia Law. Only a smattering of Muslim countries use Sharia law as it's only form of government. 

And BTW, hudud is not a singular law.

[the_great_she_elephant]

 The Sharia Law interpretation of Islam is the one under discussion She-el.

http://personal-pages.lvc.edu/robbins/IslamBranches.htm

• Sharia:  believe that both individual and communal life should be guided by the Sharia
• Four Schools of Interpretation: 

1. Hanifite -- favors use of rational judgment in determining what is best for the common good  (most influential in Iraq, Pakistan, India, and Central Asia)
2. Malikite -- turns first to consensus and then to analogy in order to determine right path (most influential in North Africa, Egypt and eastern Arabia)
3. Shafi'ite -- accepts the authority of the Hadith and de-emphasizes the role of reason (most influential in Indonesia)
4. Hanbalite -- reaction against the reliance on 'opinion' in other schools; maintains that the Qur'an  is the supreme authority and only the Hadith is accepted as also authoritative (dominant school in Saudi Arabia)

So there are four different interpretations of Sharia Law and probably variaions in interpretation within individual communities. Are they all equally barbaric? and to which of them do the majority of Muslims living in Australia subscribe.