Take it off her

[martinw-48]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-23/tim-smith-calls-for-bettina-arndt-to-be-stripped-of-am/119920...
I can't believe this rampant victim blaming.

[crikey*mate]

@Chameleon whilst I acknowledge your right to express your experiences, none of what you described in your most recent post happened in the Baxter Homicides.

The initial DVO was issued by police after Baxter took one of the children out of state for 4 days against the child's wishes and without Hannah's consent. This led to police pursuit who returned the child to the correct place according to the custody agreement. This DVO initially denied Baxter all access to his children but this was revoked after 3 days and the original custody agreement was reestablished.

This DVO did not refer to ANY incident of violence towards Hannah or the children.

I will say it again, pretend that this time it is with emphasis... The Family Law Court WAS NOT involved in this case nor were there ANY proceedings before the Court related to this case prior to the homicide on Wednesday.

[crikey*mate]

@Stawka it's me! It's me! I can't find my old posting account - it has been about 4 or 5 years - or remember any sign in details from that account so welcome to the new Crikey!

[chameleon54]

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@crikey*mate wrote:
@Chameleon whilst I acknowledge your right to express your experiences, none of what you described in your most recent post happened in the Baxter Homicides.

The initial DVO was issued by police after Baxter took one of the children out of state for 4 days against the child's wishes and without Hannah's consent. This led to police pursuit who returned the child to the correct place according to the custody agreement. This DVO initially denied Baxter all access to his children but this was revoked after 3 days and the original custody agreement was reestablished.

This DVO did not refer to ANY incident of violence towards Hannah or the children.

I will say it again, pretend that this time it is with emphasis... The Family Law Court WAS NOT involved in this case nor were there ANY proceedings before the Court related to this case prior to the homicide on Wednesday.

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Which begs the question why is the media and so many on this thread acting like a lynch mob and making accusations of systemic domestic violence ? That may be the case, but it very well may not. We simply don't have access to enough reliable, untainted information to form a judgement. 

Cases of DV are not always black and white. In fact most of the time there is a lot of grey involved. This grey can come in many forms including ongoing mental health problems, institutional discrimination against men, social attitudes stereotyping males as always the aggressor and woman as always the victim, social attitudes stereotyping woman as always being the primary care giver for children and a family court system that many suggest is biased against males.

If this discrimination is causing some men such angst that it triggers a response such as this, then it is valid to question if the system is operating as fairly and effectively as it should. Many suggest that is what the detective who was removed from the case was eluding too.

[chameleon54]

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@hannahmallory wrote:

You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you chameleon 

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No, I,m just recounting what I was told by police a few weeks ago in the 45 minute meeting I had with them at my local police station. Also the information I was given by a magistrates court when I made inquiries about gaining a restraining order for a victim of domestic violence I was assisting.

What practical stuff have you done lately to help someone affected by domestic violence ?

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 Absolutely nothing obviously or you would be aware of how the system operates !

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@crikey*mate wrote:
@Stawka it's me! It's me! I can't find my old posting account - it has been about 4 or 5 years - or remember any sign in details from that account so welcome to the new Crikey!

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it really is a simple process to see your previous ID . . . just do what I did and do a search for the word “presumedly” on these boards . . . it’s your “tell”

[crikey*mate]

@Chameleon

Considering numerous allegations with regards to Bater's violence prior to the Homicides,

A) I would really like to know why Baxter wasn't charged with assault for the occasion when he allegedly grabbed one of Hanna's arms and twisted it up behind her back causing bruising and redness (unless Hannah consented to this, That's both common assault & assault occasioning bodily harm)

B) Why wasn't that incidence of violence either subject to a new DVO or amendment to the first?

C) Why wasn't Baxter charged with deprivation of liberty when he restrained her during the alleged assault?

D) if Baxter really did have such an expansive history of violence, then why would Hannah originally offer such generous custody conditions. She had not even altered this offer after her alleged assault. That seems to me that she wasn't concerned about the kids safety or welfare?

*shrugs*

[lionrose.7]

She may have got a cop like this one,

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-police-facing-allegations-failing-to-investigate-domest...

[chameleon54]

All the same sorts of questions I have. All I have been saying on this thread is these situations are rarely black and white and the Lynch mob mentality of some is regrettable. There definately ARE many problems with the institutiinal handling of DV. and in many cases they are exacerbating existing problems making them much worse than they might have otherwise been.

And heres one for Hannah and her little friends who kudod her post

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Do you think I would have that just lying around the house if it was all BS ? Given to me by the police when assisting a DV victim several weeks ago.

[crikey*mate]

@Sir Sales, then I've got to find the email address and password etc and it was just too much trouble for a posting ID!

This'll work just fine. People know I'm Crikey.

[lurker172602]

And heres one for Hannah and her little friends who kudod her post

**bleep** is that supposed to mean? Hannah and her friends are here? Does your picture suggest you have some personal connection with this case?