on 25-09-2013 07:04 PM
on 26-09-2013 09:34 AM
@crikey*mate wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:Crikey, the topic is about Telstra axing yet more jobs and outsourcing to countries with cheaper wages. they do it purely to increase their profit margins
How dare a business try to make a profit!
OMG - put them all in jail!
We wouldn't want a business to operate as effectively and efficiently as they can, would we?
Dear God No.
But if you can't understand that it has much more to do with than profit margins, than there is nothing more to be said.
Believe what you want.
Vent your outrage about it here on CS and it'll just fix itself.
Crikey, where is this vented outrage ?
on 26-09-2013 09:36 AM
What a load of!
I guess this one is not worth following now.
on 26-09-2013 09:38 AM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:the outrage needs to be redirected to how many of those "more qualified" Indians received their qualifications through Australian Universities over the last 6 years.
International students provide a LOT of income to Australia - Education is out 3rd biggest export.
I wonder what would happen to that export market if there were no jobs at the end of the degree?
I don't understand what you are saying.
Are you saying it is OK to outsource our jobs overseas because we are obliged to offer Indian/Asian students jobs because afterall we have taken their money by giving them a university place here?
I doubt it is the Aussie uni graduates working in the OS call centres.
on 26-09-2013 09:39 AM
@just_me_karen wrote:
Like I said, it demonstrates the dismal level of corporate social responsibility in Australia and shows how trickle down economics just doesn't work here.
Crikky what does the previous govt or international students have to do with this? It's about telstra earning record profits and responding by sacking more than a thousand people. Disgraceful!
So why didn't the previous gov do anything to fix this? It's not like it hasn't been done before, it's not like they couldn't be aware that it happens (ok, chances are they weren't aware - I'll concede to that).
But if it is such a bad thing and not part of some bigger picture, then why didn't they do something to change it? They had 6 years!
I was responding tother comments JMK. Perhaps read back.
on 26-09-2013 09:40 AM
@izabsmiling wrote:I don't understand how someone can both acknowledge that it is profit driven AND suggest we need to lift our standards ...
to me that suggests that to cater to big companies desire for profit we need to 'lift our standards' by accepting whatever pay they wish to give us so as they don't seek overseas workers ?
agrees.
on 26-09-2013 09:43 AM
@crikey*mate wrote:
@izabsmiling wrote:I don't understand how someone can both acknowledge that it is profit driven AND suggest we need to lift our standards ...
to me that suggests that to cater to big companies desire for profit we need to 'lift our standards' by accepting whatever pay they wish to give us so as they don't seek overseas workers ?
agrees.
yes..if you acknowledge that it is profit driven ..how and why do you suggest we lift our standards ? same way Gina does ?
on 26-09-2013 09:44 AM
if you don't mind me saying so that isn't 'lifting our standards' at all.
on 26-09-2013 09:45 AM
on 26-09-2013 09:50 AM
@debra9275 wrote:
@crikey*mate wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:Crikey, the topic is about Telstra axing yet more jobs and outsourcing to countries with cheaper wages. they do it purely to increase their profit margins
How dare a business try to make a profit!
OMG - put them all in jail!
We wouldn't want a business to operate as effectively and efficiently as they can, would we?
Dear God No.
But if you can't understand that it has much more to do with than profit margins, than there is nothing more to be said.
Believe what you want.
Vent your outrage about it here on CS and it'll just fix itself.
Of course we want businesses to profit but not to the detriment of the general Australian economy
eg. jobs for uni graduates
jobs for Australians in general
keeping money in the Ausralian economy
Australia, being a society driven by Capitalism, is still operated under a system of meritocracy.
We haven't completely sold out to the socialists, yet.
Lets say we do restrict our uni places and jobs for Australians (regardless of their qualifications), how does this affect the international employment opportunities for Australians? How does this encourage foreign investment and foreign trade?
It's not the 1920's anymore, Australia is part of the global community. We have to play nicely with others, or they won't want to play with us. Australia simply do not have the resources to be self sufficient (I don't think that any country does), so that means we have to make compromises and negotiations with other countries in order to facilitate International relations.
So I ask again, (though as no answer has yet been forthcoming from the deniers, I can only assume they don't have one.
If this is so bad on a big picture scale, then why hasn't anyone done anything to fix/stop it?
on 26-09-2013 09:51 AM
@just_me_karen wrote:
Previous governments and international students are irrelevant to this thread, stay on topic. It's about telstra earning record profits and sacking 1,100 employees, most likely to ship the jobs offshore.
So you think it's ok to do that?
read back from the beginning.