The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

[azureline**]

This is disgraceful and I can only hope the people who are in charge fix this asap.

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

The case of Latifa, a 31-year-old woman of the persecuted Rohingya people of Myanmar, has shocked churches and refugee advocates.

She was separated from her baby on Sunday, four days after a caesarean delivery, and has since been allowed to visit him only between 10am and 4pm in Brisbane's Mater Hospital. The boy, named Farus, has respiratory problems and needs round-the-clock medical care.

Latifa is confined to the Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation, 20 minutes away, where her husband and two children, four and seven, are being held.

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Latifa's husband, Niza, is not allowed to visit the child at all, according to people in daily contact with the family.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seeker-mother-kept-from-newborn-baby-in...

[izabsmiling]

Do you judge all Australians as criminals ...because some Australians are criminals?

The couple (man and wife) are asylum seekers (legally claiming asylum) and under our care and protection.

I can try to put myself in their place.Having a traumatic (possibly life threateningx2 lives) delivery,without your partner,without them being able to see their own child/children and be their  my children and myself

and say that I would find the same situation horrible (give me the few rats we have here any day)

As to the rest..What they have lived through and the fear they may have had in the past and now in addition to that is harder to imagine.I am lucky and very thankful.I don't feel proud to be part of all of what has happened and is happening in my Country.

There are some interesting discussions going on O/S thanks to the NZ defence Lawyer and his she could have simply kept her legs closed remark in defence of his clients r ape charge (the Court found the accused guilty as charged).

Some are saying what do people expect from Australians and New Zealanders...look what stock we came from.

I know that in my Country discrimination of any kind  is not lawful.

If the Mother can be here...why can't the Father?

[love*today]

Lmao....nothing interpersonal that I can see. Maybe the op is sooking cause the thread didn't go the way she expected?

I feel the woman was lucky to see her baby for hrs a day considering I personally know of one that got to spend the day of delivery and the next with her premmie and that was all until the baby was able to feed from a bottle.

[love*today]

Because the father is detained.....far out, it's not hard to understand.

[*crikey*mate*]

research discriminitation, it's definition and exactly what is legal and illegal.

I've answered your question, read back a bit.

Every unprocessed person is a potential risk. Neither you or I are qualified to determine who is and who isn't a risk. However there are laws and protocols put in place by those whose responsibility it is to ensire the best conditions possible for everybody according to their circumstances.

We are a liberal society and our laws are based on what is best for the greater good of every person, not individuals.

I understand that this isn't the best scenario for this family, but it is what it is and I have no doubt that we did the best that we were able to and what we knew how to do at the time under the circumstances.

You know that I am an advocate for assylum seekers, but I am also realistic and understand some of the practicalities involved. People need to understand or at least accept that there is a much bigger picture than is capable of our comprehension than one family who gave birth, who was afforded a safe place in which to do that, adequate medical care etc

Perhaps you should have a look at The Detention Centre in Nauru and recognize which country it actually belongs to.

Oh and also take note of this excerpt - how do you know that this man or this family were not involved in this charming little scenario?

July 2013 riot

On 19 July 2013 a riot occurred at the detention centre and caused $60 million damage. Police and guards had rocks and sticks thrown at them. Four people were hospitalised, though their injuries were minor.[20] Other people were treated for bruising and cuts.[21] The riot began at 3pm when the detainees staged a protest.[22] Up to 200 detainees escaped and about 60[23] were held overnight at the islands police station.[24] Several vehicles[25] and buildings including accommodation blocks for up to 600 people, offices, dining room, and the health centre were destroyed by fire. This is about 80 percent of the centre's buildings.[20][23] 129 of 545 male detainees were identified as being involved in the rioting and were detained in the police watch house.[2

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@my*mum wrote:

remember that if this family are assylum seekers, they have no papers, no hoistory prior to the ten years they spent in detention in Malaysia. We have no idea from where they have really come or with whom they have connections.

even if this family are innocent and genuine, we cannot open ourselves up to potential risk in the future by creating a precedent of circumvention.

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Who said they have no papers and no history prior to the 10 years in Malaysia?

Their stories are not all the same.

Do you seriously believe any terrorist planning an attack would go through the long process of waiting in Malaysia for 10 years before coming here on a suicide mission?  Surely they would arrive by plane.

[***super_nova***]

The point is that it would not cost anything to treat this woman and her family as human beings.  They are already in difficult situation, they are in foreign country with newborn baby, they do not know what the future will bring, they are stressed and worried and need to be together. 

Wonder what happened to the woman pregnant with twins who was transported to Manus.  When that was posted here somebody said 'it's her fault for getting on a boat'.  Her only other option was to have the baby in Indonesia; not very attractive proposition.

Funny that Australians see themselves as generous and generally 'nice' people. 

[*elizabeths-mum*]

I really can't understand where we have not treated this family as human beings? I am genuinely confused.

They are together in reasonable accommodation, the mother had 6 hours a day with the baby, admittedly the father didn't, but I imagine he was able to care for the other 2 children and provide emotional security for them while there mother was absent, just as happens in other out of area families where there is not extended family or a good support network to care for the children. Very few places will allow 2 parents AND a 4 and 7 yo to spend unlimited time in a high care unit, regardless of background.

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Who said they have no papers and no history prior to the 10 years in Malaysia?

I'm assuming that is why they are being detained?

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Would that have satisfied you, azure? If she and her family were left on Nauru to take pot luck and her rights as a mother not violated as she held her baby (dead or alive).

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Why do you think that Az is wanting to be satisfied?.From what I read she is feeling for these human beings from one human being to another.On the same level...not from  Above.

If  doing so is seen as inappropriate by anyoneperhaps those who see it that way

are those who actually best fit the negative stereotype some give to asylum seekers.

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
I really can't understand where we have not treated this family as human beings? I am genuinely confused.

They are together in reasonable accommodation, the mother had 6 hours a day with the baby, admittedly the father didn't, but I imagine he was able to care for the other 2 children and provide emotional security for them while there mother was absent, just as happens in other out of area families where there is not extended family or a good support network to care for the children. Very few places will allow 2 parents AND a 4 and 7 yo to spend unlimited time in a high care unit, regardless of background.

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It appears to be more than reasonable accommodation.

The site has three accommodation buildings with individual kitchenettes and a lounge/entertainment area, and a common use building housing a kitchen, meals area, induction/interview rooms, a medical room, storage, as well as offices for departmental staff, and the detention services provider.

All buildings are modern, spacious, single-level steel construction, with air conditioning to all areas to meet tropical climatic conditions.