The Appalling Asylum Seeker Conditions

[azureline**]

This is disgraceful and I can only hope the people who are in charge fix this asap.

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

The case of Latifa, a 31-year-old woman of the persecuted Rohingya people of Myanmar, has shocked churches and refugee advocates.

She was separated from her baby on Sunday, four days after a caesarean delivery, and has since been allowed to visit him only between 10am and 4pm in Brisbane's Mater Hospital. The boy, named Farus, has respiratory problems and needs round-the-clock medical care.

Latifa is confined to the Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation, 20 minutes away, where her husband and two children, four and seven, are being held.

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Latifa's husband, Niza, is not allowed to visit the child at all, according to people in daily contact with the family.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asylum-seeker-mother-kept-from-newborn-baby-in...

[*crikey*mate*]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

remember that if this family are assylum seekers, they have no papers, no hoistory prior to the ten years they spent in detention in Malaysia. We have no idea from where they have really come or with whom they have connections.

even if this family are innocent and genuine, we cannot open ourselves up to potential risk in the future by creating a precedent of circumvention.

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Who said they have no papers and no history prior to the 10 years in Malaysia?

Their stories are not all the same.

Do you seriously believe any terrorist planning an attack would go through the long process of waiting in Malaysia for 10 years before coming here on a suicide mission?  Surely they would arrive by plane.

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ummmm the fact they are assylum seekers kind of says that, doesn't it? Otherwise they could simply immigrate, couldn't  they?

All of the people on Nauru arrived by boat.

yes, who knows what a terrorist will do? maybe the plan wasn't to be caught for 10 years? maybe their part in a plan isn't to suicide.

I don't know, you don't know and neither does our government until such time as they have been adequately processed.

and in my mind, it isn't even just about this family, it is about the precedent for future assylum seekers who may not have had to wait for 10 years in Malaysia before arriving here.

Our country has protocols in place in an attempt to keep everyone as safe as possible. I have no issues whatsoever if those in charge follow those protocols to the best of their abilities pertaining to the circumstances.

This has now happened, instead of exhausting your energies here, go and learn what occurrs behind the scenes, learn everything that needs to be considered and everything involved and then go and talk to somebody who is in a position to intitiate change if that's what you want to happen. There is no point condemning me and my views (funny how those in agreeance with me aren't similarly scrutinized - but hey, ya get that) because I am not in a position to initiate change even if I did think it necessary.

You ask me do I think a terrorist would go through 10 years of a Malaysian Detention Centre. I believe that anyone who is desperate will do anything necessary, and not only do I have a mind open enough to consider the possibility, but obviously so too does my government and those charged with the processing of assylum seekers, otherwise they would have already been admitted into Australia. If there was no element of doubt, they would already be here.

[izabsmiling]

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@my*mum wrote:

research discriminitation, it's definition and exactly what is legal and illegal.

I've answered your question, read back a bit.

Every unprocessed person is a potential risk. Neither you or I are qualified to determine who is and who isn't a risk. However there are laws and protocols put in place by those whose responsibility it is to ensire the best conditions possible for everybody according to their circumstances.

We are a liberal society and our laws are based on what is best for the greater good of every person, not individuals.

I understand that this isn't the best scenario for this family, but it is what it is and I have no doubt that we did the best that we were able to and what we knew how to do at the time under the circumstances.

You know that I am an advocate for assylum seekers, but I am also realistic and understand some of the practicalities involved. People need to understand or at least accept that there is a much bigger picture than is capable of our comprehension than one family who gave birth, who was afforded a safe place in which to do that, adequate medical care etc

Perhaps you should have a look at The Detention Centre in Nauru and recognize which country it actually belongs to.

Oh and also take note of this excerpt - how do you know that this man or this family were not involved in this charming little scenario?

July 2013 riot

On 19 July 2013 a riot occurred at the detention centre and caused $60 million damage. Police and guards had rocks and sticks thrown at them. Four people were hospitalised, though their injuries were minor.[20] Other people were treated for bruising and cuts.[21] The riot began at 3pm when the detainees staged a protest.[22] Up to 200 detainees escaped and about 60[23] were held overnight at the islands police station.[24] Several vehicles[25] and buildings including accommodation blocks for up to 600 people, offices, dining room, and the health centre were destroyed by fire. This is about 80 percent of the centre's buildings.[20][23] 129 of 545 male detainees were identified as being involved in the rioting and were detained in the police watch house.[2

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If they arrived in October they weren't there then in July 

[*crikey*mate*]

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@**meep** wrote:

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
I really can't understand where we have not treated this family as human beings? I am genuinely confused.

They are together in reasonable accommodation, the mother had 6 hours a day with the baby, admittedly the father didn't, but I imagine he was able to care for the other 2 children and provide emotional security for them while there mother was absent, just as happens in other out of area families where there is not extended family or a good support network to care for the children. Very few places will allow 2 parents AND a 4 and 7 yo to spend unlimited time in a high care unit, regardless of background.

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It appears to be more than reasonable accommodation.

The site has three accommodation buildings with individual kitchenettes and a lounge/entertainment area, and a common use building housing a kitchen, meals area, induction/interview rooms, a medical room, storage, as well as offices for departmental staff, and the detention services provider.

All buildings are modern, spacious, single-level steel construction, with air conditioning to all areas to meet tropical climatic conditions.

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There is a fair few houses in the surrounding areas that don't even have all of that, especially the airconditioning. same for the rest of qld.

[*elizabeths-mum*]

That comment was based on one of Azures comments, iza. I'm not going back to look for it in case it becomes 'interpersonal'.

[*elizabeths-mum*]

It still isn't a settled home for them, crikey, and no doubt they would be happier in lesser accommodation but with security, but in this circumstance, I think we have treated them fairly and I hope that better times are ahead for them.

[izabsmiling]

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@love*today wrote:
Because the father is detained.....far out, it's not hard to understand.

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Maybe it's harder for some  to understand than others LT 

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

[*elizabeths-mum*]

She is a detainee. Of course she has to be locked up or should we just open all the borders for people to come and go at will.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

research discriminitation, it's definition and exactly what is legal and illegal.

I've answered your question, read back a bit.

Every unprocessed person is a potential risk. Neither you or I are qualified to determine who is and who isn't a risk. However there are laws and protocols put in place by those whose responsibility it is to ensire the best conditions possible for everybody according to their circumstances.

We are a liberal society and our laws are based on what is best for the greater good of every person, not individuals.

I understand that this isn't the best scenario for this family, but it is what it is and I have no doubt that we did the best that we were able to and what we knew how to do at the time under the circumstances.

You know that I am an advocate for assylum seekers, but I am also realistic and understand some of the practicalities involved. People need to understand or at least accept that there is a much bigger picture than is capable of our comprehension than one family who gave birth, who was afforded a safe place in which to do that, adequate medical care etc

Perhaps you should have a look at The Detention Centre in Nauru and recognize which country it actually belongs to.

Oh and also take note of this excerpt - how do you know that this man or this family were not involved in this charming little scenario?

July 2013 riot

On 19 July 2013 a riot occurred at the detention centre and caused $60 million damage. Police and guards had rocks and sticks thrown at them. Four people were hospitalised, though their injuries were minor.[20] Other people were treated for bruising and cuts.[21] The riot began at 3pm when the detainees staged a protest.[22] Up to 200 detainees escaped and about 60[23] were held overnight at the islands police station.[24] Several vehicles[25] and buildings including accommodation blocks for up to 600 people, offices, dining room, and the health centre were destroyed by fire. This is about 80 percent of the centre's buildings.[20][23] 129 of 545 male detainees were identified as being involved in the rioting and were detained in the police watch house.[2

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If they arrived in October they weren't there then in July 

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please show me where it says they arrived at Nauru in October?

[*crikey*mate*]

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
It still isn't a settled home for them, crikey, and no doubt they would be happier in lesser accommodation but with security, but in this circumstance, I think we have treated them fairly and I hope that better times are ahead for them.

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me too.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

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@love*today wrote:
Because the father is detained.....far out, it's not hard to understand.

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Maybe it's harder for some  to understand than others LT 

An asylum seeker who was moved off Nauru to give birth is being locked up for 18 hours a day in a detention centre in Brisbane while her week-old baby remains in hospital with respiratory problems.

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did you have a look at the Detention centre and see where she is "locked up" for 18 hours a day?

It was for 3 days that the mothers access was restricted to 6 hours visits a day. The baby was only in hospital for 8 days, 4 of which the mother was there 24/7 - released on day 8