The CARBON tax is working great, not

[the_hawk*]

Its seems to have been kept fairly quiet

BUT

Yesterday, we hit 400 parts per million of atmospheric CO2

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=co2+hits+400+ppm&oq=co2+hits+&gs_l=hp.1.0.0i22i30.2281.14469.0.17125.13.10.3.0.0.0.500.3436.2-2j7j0j1.10.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.lnLhHAzvnug&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.aGc&fp=7b31086ec9af9775&biw=844&bih=421

[i-need-a-martini]

Badly worded last sentence - should be "will have an effect on us."

[monman12]

INAM: "Actually you would be surprised. Australia produces around 2% of the worlds emissions. It doesn't sound much but it is quite significant for a minor world player. Most Eurpoean countries produce less than us.
Apart from  UK, Italy, Russia, Germany,

"Australia produces around 2% of the worlds emissions"
Actually it is less than 1.5% 

"Significantly we actually produce more tonnes of emissions per capita than ANY OTHER COUNTRY."
Absolute nonsense INAM, I found 10 more, but I will let you discover them, start with Qatar.

In carbon emissions it is a country's total that counts i.e population X per-capita, NOT per-capita which is meaningless without a population multiplier.
Why are facts in such short supply within this topic?

[i-need-a-martini]

INAM: "Actually you would be surprised. Australia produces around 2% of the worlds emissions. It doesn't sound much but it is quite significant for a minor world player. Most Eurpoean countries produce less than us.

Apart from  UK, Italy, Russia, Germany,

You forgot to quote me in full. I said "MOST Eurpoean countries produce less than us."

"Australia produces around 2% of the worlds emissions"
Actually it is less than 1.5% 

I did say the figures were off the top of my head. I am sure you are probably correct. 1.5% is still significant for us.

"Significantly we actually produce more tonnes of emissions per capita than ANY OTHER COUNTRY."
Absolute nonsense INAM, I found 10 more, but I will let you discover them, start with Qatar.

You are correct. There are 4 before us as from my quick search. Won't have a chance to find the 10 you mention. Happy to be proven wrong though.

Although the figure I quoted talked about western nations.

In carbon emissions it is a country's total that counts i.e population X per-capita, NOT per-capita which is meaningless without a population multiplier.

Not being sarcastic here but I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about. Per capita to me means divide the population by the statistic. So isn't 'per capita' a population multiplier? Anyway, please explain.

[poddster]

Why are facts in such short supply within this topic?

Its a conspiricy 🙂

Facts get in the way of a wanted result and therefore have to remain cloaked in invisibility.

Besides if facts were presented the con job would have no impact 🙂

[monman12]

"In carbon emissions it is a country's total that counts i.e population X per-capita, NOT per-capita which is meaningless without a population multiplier.
Not being sarcastic here but I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about. Per capita to me means divide the population by the statistic. So isn't 'per capita' a population multiplier? Anyway, please explain."

Per-capita (here)  is the statistic (annual total carbon emissions) divided by the population, However it is meaningless, within this topic, as a quoted figure without the divisor (population)

Take Gibraltar with a population of 28,000 and supposedly has the highest per capita emissions in the world:  135.3 tonnes per person per year. This sounds terrible until you realise that equates to a total carbon footprint of less than 4 million tonnes annually, whereas the global total footprint  was 35.6 billion tons (in 2012).

Carbon footprints are meaningful, not per-capita in isolation.

[poddster]

by the way shouldn't your siggie be

uɥoſ  🙂

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

All this thread needs now is a IPCC hockey stick graph.....;-)

Unfortunately Poddster,  low brow responses from the Alarmists is all that you will get in this thread.....

[viewmont1071]

toke toke ...150 years odd years since the start of the upturn in the graph eh  😐

http://www.thefinalrace.net/timelineglobalwarming.html#.UY_25UqZW9o

• 1846:  Abraham Gesner, a Canadian, discovered the process of refining kerosene from  coal.
  

• 1853: Ignacy Lukasiewicz, a Polish chemist, discovered a means of refining kerosene from rock oil seep.
  

• 1859: Edwin Laurentine Drake, an American, pioneered oil drilling in Titusville, Pennsylvania (using a steam engine to
  

power the drill).

• 1885:  Karl Benz built the Motorwagen, the first modern gasoline-powered car.
  

• 1896:  Henry Ford built the gasoline-powered Quadricycle.
  

http://people.tribe.net/e7664fb2-891f-4af7-b557-94f708bcde6d/blog/97fbeda8-a18c-441b-bb42-02cd79f1c247

http://hempgate.us/richglobalhistory.html

c. 100 BC

Paper is invented using Hemp and Mulberry. Civilization greatly advances due to this Chinese invention. China becomes known as the "Land of Mulberry and Hemp". Cannabis is used for "green" paper to this day.

1914

Congress passes the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act, its first attempt to control recreational use of drugs. The bill was focused on opiates, and this 1914 Federal Reserve Note shows a Hemp farmer.

1937

The Marihuana Tax Act sneakily ushers in the petro-chemical age by making Hemp expensive. Hearst and Dupont profit for years to come while the Earth suffers.

Hearst and Dupont

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_culture11.shtml

http://www.reefermadness.org/propaganda/essay.html

The sheer number of newspapers, tabloids, magazines and film reels that Hearst controlled enabled him to quickly and to effectively inundate American media with this propaganda.

Hearst preyed on existing prejudices by associating cannabis with Mexican workers who threatened to steal American jobs and African-Americans who had long been the subject of white American venom (see accompanying articles).

An ironic side-note: much of this racism had already been perpetrated by the propaganda of Hearst, an unabashed racist.

The American people had already developed irrational hatred for these racial groups, and so readily accepted the ridiculous stories of their crazed crimes incited by marihuana use.

Hearst was not alone in his scheme to destroy hemp production.

The new techniques also made hemp a viable option for fabric and plastics, two areas of manufacturing which together with paper seriously threatened DuPont chemicals, which at this time specialized in the chemical manufacturing of synthetic fiber and plastics, and the process of pulping paper.

In fact, Hearst and Lammont DuPont had a multi-million dollar deal in the works for joint papermaking.

So these two moguls, together with DuPont's banker, Andrew Mellon, bravely joined forces to stave off the bitter onrush of bankruptcy.

They combined Hearst's yellow journalism campaign (so called because the paper developed through his and DuPont's methods aged prematurely) and the appointment of Mellon's nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to Commissioner of the newly created Federal Bureau of Narcotics in order to successfully stamp out the threat of hemp

toke.... toke.. "hey man Can I have a bite of your Hotdog"

[viewmont1071]

http://www.hempforus.com/hemp_carbon_footprint.htm

My conclusion is that hemp has great value in carbon sequestration, and as its an annual crop, it will outperform many forests, but only provided that the hemp fibre is processed into durable, long lasting product.

For example, I think hemp fibre insulation that would last 90 years is more preferable than a t-shirt that will last for 5 years, but discarded earlier because its colour and make is no longer in fashion.

http://1st-ecofriendlyplanet.com/04/hemp/

phytomerediation.

Phytoremediation (from Ancient Greek φυτο (phyto), meaning "plant", and Latin remedium, meaning "restoring balance") describes the treatment of environmental problems (bioremediation) through the use of plants that mitigate the environmental problem without the need to excavate the contaminant material and dispose of it elsewhere.

Phytoremediation consists of mitigating pollutant concentrations in contaminated soils, water, or air, with plants able to contain, degrade, or eliminate metals, pesticides, solvents, explosives, crude oil and its derivatives, and various other contaminants from the media that contain them.

toke toke ..cough.. carry on regardless :|:-p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoremediation

[viewmont1071]

http://treefrogpermaculture.com.au/?p=267

Cotton fibres for cloth are produced from the fluff around the seeds of the Cotton plant, Gossypium tilaceae, a member of the Hibiscus family.

It needs long growing season for good yields and has high water requirements.

Hemp fibres are from the stems of the hemp plant, each fibre is many times the length of a cotton fibre meaning energy saved spinning the fibres into thread. 

Hemp is drought tolerant and can produce good fibre yields without irrigation, particularly useful for this drought-prone country.

“Water is a major limiting factor in cotton production within Australia.

Over 90% of the cotton grown in Australia is irrigated using some 12% of Australia’s irrigation water.

The majority of cotton is grown in areas where rainfall contributes half the crop’s water requirements.plant, each fibre is many times the length of a cotton fibre meaning energy saved spinning the fibres into thread. 

Hemp is drought tolerant and can produce good fibre yields without irrigation, particularly useful for this drought-prone country.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/04/high_on_environmentalism.html

With the possible exception of soy, no plant has managed to spawn so many different products, and as much controversy, as hemp.

You can buy hemp clothing, hemp paper, hemp milk, hemp oil ... the list goes on.

A Canadian company has even built an electric car out of hemp.

Advocates talk about the leafy plant like it's going to reverse global climate change.

Opponents think it's merely a Trojan horse packed with potheads hoping to get your children stoned.