The Gonski in doubt ...back to the drawing board ?

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Gonski school funding: NSW Government plans to fight changes to deal

By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths

Updated 22 minutes ago

The New South Wales Government says it will fight any changes to the "Gonski" school funding agreement it struck with federal Labor before the election.

New federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne has said the Coalition cannot go ahead with the "Gonski" funding arrangements and will go back to the "drawing board".

He insists the total amount of money allocated to schools funding will not change, but the way in which it is delivered is now uncertain because final deals had not been signed with some states.

But his NSW counterpart Adrian Piccoli says it has a "binding agreement" that must be honoured.

"NSW expects the Commonwealth to fulfil its obligations under this agreement," he said in a statement.

"NSW will not agree to returning to the broken SES funding model. The new funding model has secured additional resources for classrooms across NSW, with the majority going to schools in most need."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/gonski-funding3a-nsw-government-plans-to-fight-changes/5114880

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and Chuk answered you 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@my*mum wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

Im not a flippn politician. How do I know what their plan is. You asked to be enlightened on the 2014 aspect. You got your wish. the NSW governemt was going to relaese the first phase of funding in 2014

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what was that funding for?

short or long term provisions?

Iza made the statement that schools were relying on that funding for 2014(sic) - but for what?

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They have a major reform committment. Aside from resources aimed at numeracy/literacy, there is a large push to put resources to the most unerfunded and disadantaged schools in the state particularly out west and in rural nsw.

They have already budgeted for next year and the funding has been allocated. As I imagine all the education departments have.

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@my*mum wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

Im not a flippn politician. How do I know what their plan is. You asked to be enlightened on the 2014 aspect. You got your wish. the NSW governemt was going to relaese the first phase of funding in 2014

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what was that funding for?

short or long term provisions?

Iza made the statement that schools were relying on that funding for 2014(sic) - but for what?

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would you please look that up yourself.

I would help you ...

google is your friend 

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liars plain and simple.from 'we fully support it and blah blah' to 'we are going to Review slash the funding to give it to our beloved miners'

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@izabsmiling wrote:

If Chris Pyne returns his phone calls it might help the Premiers who deserve to know what will and won't be honoured by the Fed Gov't.

It's the not knowing,the silence,the secrecy about what is going on, what the plans are,what this Gov't actually 'means/stands for' ....that gives so many a reason to be suspicious and not trust.

Nothing is crystal clear.....other than what I can't say here.

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They have said they want to review it! How can they tell them what will and won't be hoinoured at this stage?

How will answering the phones help them when they haven't reviewed anything yet or made any decisions?

What do you want them to say?

"Well John, the sun is shining, but there's a chance of rain later"?

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

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@izabsmiling wrote:

too many false promises given to voters pre-election already ...this party shouldn't have been elected.

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you mean as opposed to all of the other false promises of former governments?

NDIS

Naplan

Pensions

School Kids Bonus

Healthcare

Free, equitable and just education for ALL children.

Medicare

etc etc

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What does this even mean?

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Oh, I tyhink I missed the free lap top for every child too...

How'd that work out?

There was another well thought out plan too, huh?

Good in theory but lousy in execution and practicality

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@izabsmiling wrote:

and Chuk answered you 

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no, she didn't.

What do you believe was due to be realized in 2014? You made the emotive rhetoric statement. How about backing it up?

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If you don't see an issue with our Education Minister not returning phone calls to State Premiers

especially in regard to this matter.....I have little hope of explaining

Sorry

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@my*mum wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

Im not a flippn politician. How do I know what their plan is. You asked to be enlightened on the 2014 aspect. You got your wish. the NSW governemt was going to relaese the first phase of funding in 2014

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what was that funding for?

short or long term provisions?

Iza made the statement that schools were relying on that funding for 2014(sic) - but for what?

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They have a major reform committment. Aside from resources aimed at numeracy/literacy, there is a large push to put resources to the most unerfunded and disadantaged schools in the state particularly out west and in rural nsw.

They have already budgeted for next year and the funding has been allocated. As I imagine all the education departments have.

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uh uh

what is the gonski funding for?

what funding is it providing for use in 2014? I mean for immediate benefit - stuff that benefits the kids NEXT year - not long term framework

also, is it only NSW that is spitting the dummy atm?

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@my*mum wrote:

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what about private education?

you know, that education system that caters to the kids that the public system refuse to cater for? refuse to provide an equal and just education for ALL children?

What about it? They get funding also so not sure what your point is?

If most agreed to it, why didn't they all sign it

They were specifically told by Abbott not to enter into the agreements. Most (liberal states) hung on until the end and then realised they were making a mistake. Tassie is a good example. NSW were one of the last ones to get their signed off agreement finalised. 

Martini, could you tell me (in small words) exactly what GONSKI is supposed to deliver and then a breakdown of what years that was supposed to eventuate.

Seriously there is too much to break down for you. But there is a lot of good info in here: http://www.appa.asn.au/gonski-report.php

and hang on, someone said we went to the polls believeing it would go ahead, yet you say that Pyne was quite open that it wouldn't.

yet the people voted anyway?

Pyne was a fierce critic. His counter strategies and arguments were ridiculous. However, he shut up at the end because Abbott said that the Coalition would implement it. He went to the polls on that premise.

and until I know more, after seeing the fiasco with the previous money grants, I have no problem with checks and balances, cos I am pretty sure that everyone agreed to the funding for the school halls, science and sports buildings..... and that wiorked out so well, eh? No money wasted there, was there, huh?

What fiasco? That's ridiculous. A couple of budget blow outs from mismanaged funds does not make a program a failure. Far from it. Most schools across the country benefited enormously. Particularly those schools who's accommodation hadn't been touched since the 70s'. And the irony is that the only indication of a strategy that Pyne has proposed is to make schools even MORE independent with their funding. So it means even less scrutiny of how money is spent.