The Religion of PEACE......... (NOT)

[nero_bolt]

Wonderful people from the religion of peace..

It must be so much fun to be a woman in  the religion..... 

Taliban threatens Nobel laureate Malala 

A POWERFUL breakaway faction of the Pakistani Taliban threatened teenage education activist Malala Yousafzai with "sharp and shiny knives", hours after she was declared joint winner of the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize.

JAMAAT ul Ahrar, which in August separated from Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) also known as the Pakistani Taliban - posted its response to the win on Twitter late Saturday.

"Characters like Malala should know that we are not deterred by propaganda of [non-believers]. We have prepared sharp and shiny knives for the enemy of Islam," tweeted spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan.
 
"Malala speaks so much against guns and armed conflicts. Does she not know that the founder of her recent Nobel award was the inventor of explosives," the spokesman said.
 
Malala, a 17-year-old education activist, survived a gunshot wound to the head by a Taliban gunman in 2012.
 
The mainstream TTP, an umbrella organisation of over a dozen groups, has not commented on Malala's accolade.
 
Malala has received praise in Pakistan for becoming the youngest-ever Nobel Peace laureate, with all major newspapers running front page stories on her achievement.

[iapetus_rocks]

These are important ideas and it's important to consider them.

I know that people often want to see the very best in others, as they would want others to see the best in them, but it's also important to carefully consider what people  say and what they do and not to just go along with an apologist line and try to rationalise what is said, as if they didn't really mean what they said so we'll just interpret it and make accomodations in our brains so that we accept all sorts of outrageous b/s because we're being so politically correct and so understanding of others' differences.

There's a line here. We would all like to respect the differences in other cultures, but there comes a time when we might find ourselves  to be supporting what is actually an oppressive system, because of our efforts to be oh, so understanding.

I understand. And it's my understanding which informs my opposition to Islam and its questionable ideology.

[azureline**]

I think everyone deserves respect for the choices they make.
You do even though I don't agree with most of what you have said above. We make choices based on many things and I could never choose a faith based on the content of the Quran or the Bible. I am not that into it.
Whether we choose to demonise people who are of a particular faith or not, telling them they are wrong won't change them.
Changes come with time. Make enemies of them and they stop listening and get defensive.

[2014.sssaa]

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@azureline** wrote:
I think everyone deserves respect for the choices they make.
You do even though I don't agree with most of what you have said above. We make choices based on many things and I could never choose a faith based on the content of the Quran or the Bible. I am not that into it.
Whether we choose to demonise people who are of a particular faith or not, telling them they are wrong won't change them.
Changes come with time. Make enemies of them and they stop listening and get defensive.

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say i chose to beat my wife will you respect me for that?

if i strap some bombs around myself and detonate in your granddaughters kindergarten will you respect me?

sorry but your statement is just plain silly.

[i-need-a-martini]

(Gees I am sick to death of peoples words being twisted into meanings that anyone with half a brain would see do not exist. It seems pandemic on these boards amongst a certain set in order to create a "see you are wrong but I am right" attitude that is fatiquing).

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@2014.sssaa wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:
I think everyone deserves respect for the choices they make.
You do even though I don't agree with most of what you have said above. We make choices based on many things and I could never choose a faith based on the content of the Quran or the Bible. I am not that into it.
Whether we choose to demonise people who are of a particular faith or not, telling them they are wrong won't change them.
Changes come with time. Make enemies of them and they stop listening and get defensive.

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say i chose to beat my wife will you respect me for that?

if i strap some bombs around myself and detonate in your granddaughters kindergarten will you respect me?

sorry but your statement is just plain silly.

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It is VERY clear that az was talking about choices on which religion they deem to follow.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@karliandjacko wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

But you are not silent, and you are a feminist?

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I recant.  That cannot be, after the comment on the Spurr thread.

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I don't think some posters read before slagging off other posters. I seem to recall expressing my thought on FGM yesterday and it certainly was not in condonement of the practice.

As for the other  point. I don't see how defending muslim women can be read as defending the quran.  I'm not a fan of religion and I fail to see how demonising a group of women based on their religion is going to solve any problems.

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I second that.

I also fail to see how defending muslim women or respecting that not everyone who is Islamic is a terrorist, equates to supporting FGM. This is another case of trying to garner non-existence evidence to support a flimsy argument from the OP..

Particularly as nero knows very well (as the issue has been discussed ad-nauseum on this forum) that NO-ONE on here supports FGM.

[lakeedge]

Very good post and all the dot points are totally relevant to just how horrific some teachings of Islam is.

Many ignore this behaviour and just say that most of Islam is peace and love, what rot.

You won't find many on here who will agree with you because they are too PC  of just about everything these days and are part of the  leftist mindset to make a stand against what is not dependable.

The aim of Islam is to inhabit countries and when their numbers reach 10% that's when they start to want to change the country to suit them. If you don't believe this just look at what happened to Britain and that percentage is correct and has been discussed by many countries but for most it's too late.

The racist and bigot name calling is a weapon of many and nobody should have to defend themselves against that if their opinions differs from the rest.

There is  only a few posters on here  who stand up for women, point out all that you have, but unfortunately they are driven off most of the time.

Many posters prefer to ignore the radical teachings of Islam, defend mens's rights over woman's, defend the burqa and niqab and other oppressive ways women are downtrodden by Islam. It's sad.

[azureline**]

Thanks Martini, yes, exactly about Religious choices.

However, those things sssaa mention are against the law, not to mention against the consciences of most people.

I am tired of posters rewriting my posts to suit their agenda............................

[bushies.girl]

Great post!

[azureline**]

The UK has only 4.4% of the population who are Muslim.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

@iapetus_rocks wrote:

The point I was trying to make (and hopefully to encourage discussion of) is this . . .

Should we offer respect to any religion or to any culture which espouses ideas which not only suggest, but which teaches . . .

1. That women should be accorded one quarter of a man's cedibility when testifying in a court of law . . .

2. That women should receive one half of the inheritance that a man should expect to receive, just by virtue of their being female.

3. That women are not equal to men, because men have to spend out of their own pockets to look after and manintain the women (all the while discouraging or forbidding the women to go out in society and earn a living).

4. That the women should cover up in public because it is the women who are responsible for inducing the men to uncontrollable lustful violence against them if they don't cover their bodies and even their faces and become as one anonymous in the thronging crowd when they go out.

5. That women should not go out in public at all unless accompanied by a male relative. (even if that relative is a four year old son)

6. That women should submit to FGM because otherwise they might actually enjoy sex so much that they might stray from their husbands,

who, incidentally undergo no such mutilation and are even allowed multiple wives (as many as four, or as many as they can afford to maintain in equal fashion) while the women are only allowed one husband.

Is  a religion or a culture which teaches such stuff worthy of our respect or even of our tolerance in our society?

I say it is not.

What say you?

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And no one has anything relevant to say about my post?

I carefully consider the things i say here, yet i notice that very few people carefully consider what I have written, but just go off on some sort  of tangent, and my posts get buried in the dross.

Ok, so I have qoted myself and posted it again.

Who here will read what I posted and actually reply to what I posted?

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No-one is responding because you have said it all before and it simply isn't true that these extreme examples are typical of those of the muslim faith. So not sure what else there is left to say?

Iapetus - I can see that you give a lot of thought to your argument so I am happy to debate issues with you. And despite our qibbles I can see that you are intelligent and don't rely on bullying and C&Ps to advance an argument like others on here. But we have already argued this out haven't we?

But in a nautshell here is my response:

How much of the above applies to muslims in Australia? Not one. 

How much of the above applies to other moderate muslims around the world which make up the vast majority? None

Therefore using these extreme examples to taint an entire religion is nonsensical.