The Shroud of Turin

[*crikey*mate*]

I am part way through reading a fiction book featuring The Shroud, and it has sparked my curiosity.

What do you know?

What do you think?

Me? I want to believe that it is real, but I'm not convinced one way or the other just yet, but I am interested in discussing it with anyone else interested in doing so.

 For something of such historical significance to truly exist would be amazing.

[the_bob_delusion]

Bob, I think you are misrepresenting what my post was about.

correct me then. Do you believe there's empirical evidence for God or that the bible is literal fact?

If not, then you have faith. If you say you don't have faith then please explain.

[azureline**]

This thread is about the Shroud? I was answering the question about the shroud being authentic/fake/Jesus' shroud.

[*crikey*mate*]

If you have a belief based upon a complete lack of credible evidence, it is understandable that in order to reinforce/underwrite your belief/faith,  you will (be tempted) to embrace anything that might be evidence, however strange/tenuous, even if it means you end up hanging on a thread!

well lots of threads woven together. do maketh a shroud.......

[**meep**]

yes, but it would be kind of cool to trace it from what we do know, eh? Like where it first turned up and was consequently stored and then moved over the years for differing reasons.

That would be way cool.  How far away are we from being able to time-travel do you think?   maybe a psychic could point us in the right direction...

[nevynreally]

cool! and at that time in history, was there any advantage to someone releasing this information?

what I mean is, was this at a time when there may have been motivation to release false information?

Constantinople was where Christianity really took hold, think the Crusades.

Crikey, I saw a doco years ago about St.Peters tomb under the vatican, as to what's under longtime occupied cities, Cities of the Underworld shows a lot about place you couldn't imagine  have that much stuff under them.

As to the  BS yet again. Would have enjoyed discussing this topic, but yet again the destroyed by posters not understanding the topic. I get you believe in your agenda, or think you're funny, but really the word troll covers all of you. 

[happyroo_bunji]

Is there evidence of any other cloth of similar physical properties existing from 33AD?

Is it even possible that something physical could survive this many years without substantial deterioration?

We saw in Martini's white sheet thread, that even a linen sheet (presumedly less than 50 years old) had developed stains.......

If the cloth was keep out of sunlight, ie a box and free from moisture and rarely removed from box it is possible for material to last a long time (hundreds of years).  The only fabric that would come to close to the alleged age of the shroud would be cloth from Eyptian tombs.

There was a fire in 1532 in the chapel where the shroud was kept.  The casket that held the shroud was saved although melted beyond repair, the shroud itself only suffered some scorch marks and a hole where some molten metal had fallen onto it.

[azureline**]

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This is too confusing for me..... 2 bobs?

[the_great_she_elephant]

Well I do intend going to the pit and toasting marshmallows over you while you writhe in pain.If that makes me a sadist then so be it.

Luke 19:41-42 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, [Jesus] wept over it [42] and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace — but now it is hidden from your eyes.

Hardly toasting marshmallows, was he? Perhaps he lacked your arrogance.

[azureline**]

If the cloth was keep out of sunlight, ie a box and free from moisture and rarely removed from box it is possible for material to last a long time (hundreds of years).  The only fabric that would come to close to the alleged age of the shroud would be cloth from Eyptian tombs.

There was a fire in 1532 in the chapel where the shroud was kept.  The casket that held the shroud was saved although melted beyond repair, the shroud itself only suffered some scorch marks and a hole where some molten metal had fallen onto it.

and  THE SUDARIUM OF OVIEDO

[nevynreally]

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This is too confusing for me..... 2 bobs?

Not really. 

A troll just figured out how to get into the conversation by imitating someone else. Or maybe bob is trbag. Don't care, Just over the destroyers of interest or fun.