Theists: What would it take for you to NOT believe in the existence of God?

[the_bob_delusion]

Agnostics/Atheists: What would it take for you to believe God exist?

What sort of argument/evidence would you need to change your mind?

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[curmu-curmu]

[azureline**]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

I think if I had been raised a Catholic, I would be an atheist now too.

I was raised / married in Church of England.

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i was always in trouble for questioning it - i was told i just had to accept what i was taught was right.
when I became old enough to not care if I was in trouble or not I declared myself a non believer.

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NB After very early investigations, I found that CofE was not much better than the RC- as I have said many times, they are both more interested in their traditions than Bible truths.

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I just saw another thread title and it is just the words I should have used along with "Church Traditions" - "Pomp and Pagentry" - to me that just about sums up what the mainstream churches are all about. 

One example I can think of, you see the Priests waving this thing (sorry I don't know what it's called) - like an incents burner - I saw an explantion of that once on TV so it must be right - originally used to take away the smell of all the parishioners who came to church without a bath - lol. Now it has become part of church tradition. {please correct me if that definition is wrong}

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Corrected.

You can find the answer in both Old Testament and New.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@azureline** wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

I think if I had been raised a Catholic, I would be an atheist now too.

I was raised / married in Church of England.

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i was always in trouble for questioning it - i was told i just had to accept what i was taught was right.
when I became old enough to not care if I was in trouble or not I declared myself a non believer.

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NB After very early investigations, I found that CofE was not much better than the RC- as I have said many times, they are both more interested in their traditions than Bible truths.

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I just saw another thread title and it is just the words I should have used along with "Church Traditions" - "Pomp and Pagentry" - to me that just about sums up what the mainstream churches are all about. 

One example I can think of, you see the Priests waving this thing (sorry I don't know what it's called) - like an incents burner - I saw an explantion of that once on TV so it must be right - originally used to take away the smell of all the parishioners who came to church without a bath - lol. Now it has become part of church tradition. {please correct me if that definition is wrong}

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Corrected.

You can find the answer in both Old Testament and New.

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What can I find? That parisheners came to church without a bath? Or do you mean the 'wavy thing'? 

Can you give me a hint where to find it please, because I have never read it - and No I don't mean the Bible, I mean I have never read about the 'wavy thing'. Can you also tell me what it is called, I can't keep calling it the 'wavy thing'.

[azureline**]

Incense burner

Thurible..................

Censer.......

The original use is to be found in both Testaments............... try Exodus.

Have to go lay more mulch, sorry.

[Anonymous]

do you mean this:

A thurible is a metal censer suspended from chains, in which incense is burned during worship services. It is used in Christian churches including the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,Oriental Orthodox, and Armenian Apostolic, as well as in some Lutheran, Old Catholic, and Anglican churches (with its use almost universal amongst Anglo Catholic Anglican churches). In Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican churches, the altar server who carries the thurible is called the thurifer. The practice is rooted in the earlier traditions of Judaism in the time of theSecond Jewish Temple.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurible

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

do you mean this:

A thurible is a metal censer suspended from chains, in which incense is burned during worship services. It is used in Christian churches including the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,Oriental Orthodox, and Armenian Apostolic, as well as in some Lutheran, Old Catholic, and Anglican churches (with its use almost universal amongst Anglo Catholic Anglican churches). In Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican churches, the altar server who carries the thurible is called the thurifer. The practice is rooted in the earlier traditions of Judaism in the time of theSecond Jewish Temple.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurible

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well, you learn something every day, don't you? I don't think I ever knew what it was called. I'll have to read Exodus again. I'll be back!

[Anonymous]

wouldn't this be easier lol

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=censer

[rabbitearbandicoot]

well, I just read exodus, well, I cheated I did a search for incense:

Incense burning was used as part of worship in Israel, but then so was animal sacrifice - I thought we were past all of that - anyway, I'll read the other link now.

Thanks.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

she who must be obeyed has just reminded me that the front gate is off it's hinges, so reading will have to wait.

[azureline**]

http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=2&bible_chapter=39

for when the gate is back up.