Tony Abbott's Support Page

[icyfroth]

A reminder of the debt that Australia has, while Labor can bury their heads and deny it exists the fact remains we have a huge problem with debt and sooner than later the chips will fall, no business, no state and no country can keep operating in the red, eventually those we own the money to will own us. Who will own us?
The state of Qld has debt of $80 billion dollars, Labor are saying they don’t think it’s that bad, Bill Shorten on Australia’s debt, there is no debt crisis, there is a crisis and we are in this situation because of Labor, no one else and the bottom line is Labor can’t fix this problem, their speciality is creating debt not fixing debt.

[lloydslights]

I am wary of Polls generally.  

The figures arrived at, are from people who actually participate in Polls.

DEB

[debra9275]

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@idlewhile wrote:

Risking the scorn of the left on here but...The Guardian?? the left wing rag? the left rag who vacuums up every sacked left wing journo sacked from Fairfax.

The Guardian UK,  the preferred leftist media and look what's happened to the UK?

No thanks.

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oddly enough the poll in the Guardian also reflects similar to the poll in the very extreme right wing biased newscorp papers as posted earlier

Galaxy Poll 4/5 Feb (The one one by News Ltd)

With Abbott:      Coalition 43%             Labor Party 57%       Labor by 14%

With Turnbull;   Coalition 49%             Labor Party 51%       Labor by  1%

so it's probably correct..  I have a look at the polls because they gave us an indicication of the results of the recent Qld and Vic elections. they were spot on there too

[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/17/coalition-voters-split-over-whether-tony-abbot...

Coalition voters split over whether Tony Abbott should be dumped – poll

Essential poll finds 48% of Coalition voters believe Abbott should stay on as leader until the next election, due in 2016

Coalition voters are split over whether Tony Abbott should be dumped as party leader.

The latest Essential poll, published on Tuesday afternoon, found 48% of Coalition voters believed Abbott should stay on as leader until the next election, due in 2016.

But 34% said he should be given six months to improve and 14% said he should be removed immediately.

Of all voters, 39% said he should be replaced as soon as possible, while 22% gave him six months and 28% said he should be kept on until the election.

Asked whether Abbott would still be leader at the election, 61% said no, including 40% of Coalition voters.

The poll’s two-party result put Labor in the lead 54% to 46%. However, the Liberal party was seen as significantly more trustworthy to handle national security, the economy, interest rates and asylum seekers.

Labor was seen as better in the areas of education, health, industrial relations and jobs.

As debate continues over where Australia’s next-generation submarine fleet will be built, the most favoured position among voters (37%) was building them in Australia, even if that meant they cost more than if they were built overseas.

thought this might interest you Icy, a poll amongst LNP voters

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Thank you Deb, It is indeed interesting and I appreciate the effort you've gone too.

However...just going by your earlier statement that voters might vote a certain contender in for his likeability tends to show that polls are easily skewed.

We can't afford to choose a Leader according to good looks or gender or religious beliefs.

Similarly it would be silly to depose a Prime Minister because we don't like him winking, or making silly gaffes, or having a bald patch.

Mr Abbott has had to take some measures to address the concerns of many Australians, such as border security, the size of our deficit, the frivolous taxes imposed by the previous government.

Stopping the boats, abolishing the mining and carbon tax and addressing the welfare blowout were unpopualar measures with some of the population which reflects in the polls.

It's a tought job but somebody's got to do it.

On the other hand, the Opposition making unrealistic promises like we'll give you unlimited welfare, restore the taxes and continue free Uni education are going to be popular with other sections of the population and will reflect in the polls similarly.

Anyone can be popular by offering freebies.

[debra9275]

Thank you Deb, It is indeed interesting and I appreciate the effort you've gone too.

However...just going by your earlier statement that voters might vote a certain contender in for his likeability tends to show that polls are easily skewed.

We can't afford to choose a Leader according to good looks or gender or religious beliefs.

Similarly it would be silly to depose a Prime Minister because we don't like him winking, or making silly gaffes, or having a bald patch.

i somehow think that there is a lot more to Mr Abbotts unpopularity  than you've mentioned, but in the end voters will decide, if he is still in the role of PM at the next election

Mr Abbott has had to take some measures to address the concerns of many Australians, such as border security, the size of our deficit, the frivolous taxes imposed by the previous government.

Stopping the boats, abolishing the mining and carbon tax and addressing the welfare blowout were unpopualar measures which reflects in the polls.

It's a tought job but somebody's got to do it.

On the other hand, the Opposition making unrealistic promises like we'll give you unlimited welfare, restore the taxes and continue free Uni education are going to be popular and will reflect in the polls.

Anyone can be popular by offering freebies.

what freebies? uni education isn't free

[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

Thank you Deb, It is indeed interesting and I appreciate the effort you've gone too.

However...just going by your earlier statement that voters might vote a certain contender in for his likeability tends to show that polls are easily skewed.

We can't afford to choose a Leader according to good looks or gender or religious beliefs.

Similarly it would be silly to depose a Prime Minister because we don't like him winking, or making silly gaffes, or having a bald patch.

i somehow think that there is a lot more to Mr Abbotts unpopularity  than you've mentioned, but in the end voters will decide, if he is still in the role of PM at the next election

Mr Abbott has had to take some measures to address the concerns of many Australians, such as border security, the size of our deficit, the frivolous taxes imposed by the previous government.

Stopping the boats, abolishing the mining and carbon tax and addressing the welfare blowout were unpopualar measures which reflects in the polls.

It's a tought job but somebody's got to do it.

On the other hand, the Opposition making unrealistic promises like we'll give you unlimited welfare, restore the taxes and continue free Uni education are going to be popular and will reflect in the polls.

Anyone can be popular by offering freebies.

what freebies? uni education isn't free

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"i somehow think that there is a lot more to Mr Abbotts unpopularity  than you've mentioned, but in the end voters will decide, if he is still in the role of PM at the next election"

That may be so, but then it's up to the voter to decide, not a handfull of disgruntled backbenchers spooked by the polls.

"what freebies? uni education isn't free"

It is for ppl who go overseas the minute they graduate, or decide get married and raise a family as against seeking employment, or cannot find work that puts them over the $49,000 per year threshhold.

Australia is owed over $26 billion in unpaid HECS debt

"The Grattan Institute report has found current and former students have accumulated Higher Education Loan Program (HELP) debts of $26.3 billion, up almost $10 billion since 2007."

Entire Article Here

that's quite a large contribution to our budget deficit.

[idlewhile]

Labor will not address the debt problem, the spending problem, the welfare problem, the super problem, the IR problem or any reforms.

Everything will be better under Labor, look how much better we left things for the Liberal/nat government, they are just whingers,  vote Labor and see how much better off you'll all be.

[debra9275]

it's 17% ( uni fee writedowns, out of %100%)

there wouldn't be too many students who purposely set out to "rip off the education system"" but quite often the jobs just aren't there for graduates. some kids go to uni straight from school, and discover that it isn't for them by their 2nd year and end up leaving and getting poorly paid jobs. Perhaps they should lower the wages threshold on repayment of HECS fees instead of increasing uni fees?

[debra9275]

why does the LNP need to spend $12 billion on jets, 20 billion on subs and 400million per year on metadata storage when they claim we are in an emergency situation??

aren't they over-spending?

[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

it's 17% ( uni fee writedowns, out of %100%)

you can try to minimise it that way Deb, but It's still over $26 billion worth.

there wouldn't be too many students who purposely set out to "rip off the education system"" but quite often the jobs just aren't there for graduates. some kids go to uni straight from school, and discover that it isn't for them by their 2nd year and end up leaving and getting poorly paid jobs.

Perhaps they should lower the wages threshold on repayment of HECS fees instead of increasing uni fees?

 good idea.

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[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

why does the LNP need to spend $12 billion on jets, 20 billion on subs and 400million per year on metadata storage when they claim we are in an emergency situation??

aren't they over-spending?

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There is such a thing as national security.

We can't rely on throwing spears and boomerangs.