on 08-09-2020 07:33 PM
08-09-2020 07:35 PM - edited 08-09-2020 07:36 PM
on 08-09-2020 07:41 PM
@kopenhagen5 wrote:Everything....................(sorry to end the discussion)
Do we really? We didn't choose to be born. They had the joy and hapiness of seeing us grow. It's entirely their choice. Would they still choose to have children even if they knew they wouldn't get anything in return. Surely they still would, right?
on 08-09-2020 07:42 PM
08-09-2020 07:59 PM - edited 08-09-2020 07:59 PM
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@kopenhagen5 wrote:Everything....................(sorry to end the discussion)
Do we really? We didn't choose to be born. They had the joy and hapiness of seeing us grow. It's entirely their choice. Would they still choose to have children even if they knew they wouldn't get anything in return. Surely they still would, right?
Well there is either something or nothing.
With nothing, you can't be aware of anything so something (life) must be more, compared.
08-09-2020 08:04 PM - edited 08-09-2020 08:07 PM
It probably depends entirely what your parents are like. Some people are lucky to have the most loving, caring, attentive parents anyone could wish for. While " owe " is probably not the right word, they probably have plenty to thank their parents for.
Others are not so lucky. Some kids are abandoned by their parents others abused in one way or another. They can end up mentally, emotionally or physically scarred for life. I,m not sure what these people " owe '' their parents. Resentment and at times, hate maybe ?
The one thing that holds true regardless is parents make the person who they are. Even kids who are abandoned by their parents often develop a strong sense of independence and self reliance. ( what doesnt break them, makes them stronger ) They learn fast that they cant rely on others so have to be able to rely on their own inner strengths. They often end up as fighters with very strong wills and very self reliant. Is that a "gift" from their parents, or development of their own inner strength ? I would suggest the latter.
on 08-09-2020 08:36 PM
Our parents made us. And in most cases spent a motza rearing us.
on 09-09-2020 10:19 AM
Say they needed a kidney. Are you morally obligated to donate? Are you a bad person if you didn't? Is it entirely dependent on if they were good to you or not?
on 09-09-2020 11:38 AM
@the_bob_delusion wrote:Say they needed a kidney. Are you morally obligated to donate? Are you a bad person if you didn't? Is it entirely dependent on if they were good to you or not?
I used to oversee an Adolescent Service where about 50% of the kids were incest victims. Most were very troubled and conflicted. Yet I think some would donate a kidney where as the others would probably hope the (offending) parent would die. That suggests to me that generalising by saying "we" is the wrong approach to asking the question. Not all parent/child relationships are healthy.
on 09-09-2020 01:31 PM
darn dysexia, thought it said 'peanuts'