Tutors

[donnashuggy]

I don't know if this is true but I hear a lot about it

For the record my children have never had a tutor, not because I was unwilling, it was offered to them.

I hear stories about children that were tutored heavily in years 11 and 12 and it helped them. But I have heard stories about tutors writing their essays and the list goes on.

My question is, does it create more university dropouts because these students are not really capable of doing the work themselves? Or is that a myth? Am I able to exclude Asian students from the example, as I know someone is bound to mention that they are also heavily tutored and have good success rates of continuing at uni.

[cherry*135]

If you want to discuss tutoring (extensive) and the affects of it then you can't leave out any group. You are wanting to leave out those that are successful and concentrate on those that fail later.. what sort of discussion is that?

The % of those that drop out at Uni would be very small.. compared to those who go ahead in leaps and bounds with extra tutoring.

If a student gets someone to write an essay for an assignment how do they get on in their exams when they have to write their own essays?

[donnashuggy]

What if I am not talking about cheats? What if I am talking about students who went to an exclusive private expensive school, were tutored heavily, achieved great HSC results and then went to uni?? Only to find it too hard.

[cherry*135]

How do you know they found it too hard and dropped out? What % of students do that.

Some students go to Uni because their parents encourage them to and aren't interested, are lazy and drop out also.

I know of a young guy who did very well at school  & gained a very sought after cadetship.. work & Uni study. He dropped out of both because it was too hard working and studying.

[cherry*135]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I guess it is one on one assistance so it will be beneficial regardless, but you don't get that at uni, unless you continue to get tutored?

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Yes, you can pay to get tutoring for Uni subjects, especially if you strike a subject that you 'don't get' and need extra help.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I guess it is one on one assistance so it will be beneficial regardless, but you don't get that at uni, unless you continue to get tutored?

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there is so much help available at university there really is no excuse fior a child to fail.

I believe it is in the structure.

at uni, the help is there, but you have to ask for it. In school, your parents or the school 'forces" it on you.

at uni, the lecturer delivers the content. that's their job. very few of them are actually even trained "teachers", they don't even know how to teach.

They have the knowledge and the information, it is up to the student to get it from them.

Every lecturer and tutor at uni (a tutor is the teacher that takes the small group tutorials, so classes of 20?) puts aside 2 hours a week consultation time. or more if you make an appointment. But these 2 hours are a set time where the tutor guarantees they will be in their office and able to assist students.

very few students turn up to these. Most tutors complain they sit there and see no one.

This is free, one on one time with the person who teaches you, and kids don't use it.

[donnashuggy]

If you want to discuss tutoring (extensive) and the affects of it then you can't leave out any group.

Dear Am3

I am hoping that it is ok with you if I ask the questions I want and not be told what I can and can't leave out, much appreciated 🙂

[*crikey*mate*]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

Have you been past Sydney Boys or Sydney Girls lately am3?

I purposely wanted to leave out Asians, not in a racist way at all. But there is a difference when the culture (generalizing again) encourages many many hours of tutoring and ours does not.

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not just tutoring, but study as well. and from an early age. They don't leave it until a problem arises, they have a proactive approach and use tutoring to highlight potential problem areas before they come across them in a school or assessment environment.

They are most often working up to two years ahead of curriculum.

If they come across an area that they struggle with, then the tutor stops there and masters that skill before moving on. hence, the problem area is identified and ciorrected before they get to the topic at school. They walk into every class knowing exactly what the teacher is about to teach them.

You will also find, that a tutor of an Asian student primarily teaches the subject vertically, only making a few adjustments if the child is not advanced enough to encompass what is currently being covered at school.

Many asian students start tutoring or extra curricular study in early primary school.

The difference in the two cultures is that Asian students have a proactive approach to study. In australia, we don't tend to take action until the problems are already there and the grades are falling.

It is unlikely an asian student is using a tutor to "catch up". Whereas that is precisely when an australian student seeks help.

Of course this is a generalization and there are exceptions to the rules.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@am*3 wrote:

There will always be a small % of 'cheats' at Uni .. plagarism, copying someone elses essay from previous years, having another person write their essay for them (not just by tutors either, by paying someone to write it).. but they are just that a small %.

I don't see any major connection with the cheats and tutoring either.

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all assignments are now run through an online plaigarism checker. If you score more than 10%, then you fail. The 10% allows for the reference list. (It's pretty hard not to plaigaraize a reference, chances are someone else has used it somewhere before.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@am*3 wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

I guess it is one on one assistance so it will be beneficial regardless, but you don't get that at uni, unless you continue to get tutored?

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Yes, you can pay to get tutoring for Uni subjects, especially if you strike a subject that you 'don't get' and need extra help.

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each lecturer asl;so has 2 hours a week free consultation sessions

plus there are also PASS sessions Peer Assisted Study Sessions. These arte run by students who acheived distinction or above on the subject when they took it. The lecturer supplies the work, the PASS instructor gets paid $40 an hour to take the class. the students pay nothing.

of course there is also a tutoring service where the student pays a private tutor.

[cherry*135]

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@donnashuggy wrote:

If you want to discuss tutoring (extensive) and the affects of it then you can't leave out any group.

Dear Am3

I am hoping that it is ok with you if I ask the questions I want and not be told what I can and can't leave out, much appreciated 🙂

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Just the same as the people who are free make comments on any thread, the are also free to enter  &  are free to leave their opinions.

You are inviting discussion on extensive tutoring and its possible effects on making students drop out of Uni.

In my opinion you can't leave out any group/race/nationality that does get tutoring,  that makes this topic useless to discuss.. as you aren't considering all factors. To discuss it adequatley need to take into account ALL university students who had extensive tutoring.. and  get the results from that.

That is like somone saying they want to discuss the effects of an education policies, but please don't discuss any policies Labor had.