Uyghur slavery

[martinw-48]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-02/aspi-uyghur-china-forced-labour-report/12017650?utm_source=ab...

Uyghur Muslims forced to make Nikes and Apple iPhones.
I'm glad I don't buy these products

[myoclon1cjerk]

It's happening in U.S prisons too, martin.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/us-private-prisons-forced-labour-detainees-mod...

[martinw-48]

Myo, yes I know.
Don't get me started on Retardistan

[ecar3483]

As long as there exists an insatiable desire for cheap consumer goods, those who produce them will continue to find cheap ways of producing them.

But I figure you'd worked that one out for yourself, already, ha ha...

If it had been as easy as updating the chip inside, I would've kept the old Alcatel phone.

It was a good phone, but it wasn't compatible with the "Whatever" G system that was coming on line, so I had to get a new phone, and on my budget at the time, that meant a cheap one.

A cheap phone for me, but at what cost...?

Consumerism... Sometimes I think the only thing that wears out anymore is my patience with the "Constant upgrade" mentality...

🙂

[davewil1964]

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@martinw-48 wrote:
Myo, yes I know.
Don't get me started on Retardistan

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But you chose the one that put China in a bad light.

[go-tazz]

The one thing I always find so "stupid" is that consumers keep buying these highly over priced products that

put insane profits into the hands of the owners of those companies when they know that they are made for only

a small amount of what they sell for.

As an example, in 2014, Nike reported $28.50 as the general cost to manufacture one pair of sneakers and

ship them to the United States. Nike's cost breakdown includes approximately $27.50 per pair for Chinese

factory labor and overhead costs, plus $1 in shipping.

So when buying a $100,$200 or $300 pair of sneakers they have huge profit margins and consumers are

dumb enough to pay those prices because they get "conned" into buying them.

Now they are looking at shifing as China is starting to raise prices so they are looking at cheaper countryies such

as Vietnam, Indonesia, or Thailand and using more robots.

[martinw-48]

So Dave, are you concerned for the Americans incarcerated or just wish to try and make me look like a racist?
There's a huge difference in why Uyghurs are incarcerated and why those Americans are incarcerated, isn't there?
Or are you ignorant as you ate arrogant.
Americans can refuse to do any labour but they will be sent to solitary confinement.
We don't know what the Chinese do to a Uyghur that refuses.
Thr Chinese are deliberately lying and repressing any knowledge of the Uyghur concentration camps because they're not gaols whereas the Americans just rely on public apathy.
Some American prisons pay the inmates for their labour although poorly.
Do the Chinese pay the Uyghurs, we don't know because it's all secret.
Are you seeing any difference?

[springyzone]

Martin, I think that what sometimes happens (not saying it has happened here on the board as such, but just generally speaking) is that some people in their haste not to be racist, fall over themselves never to mention a nationality or religious group or sect or similar as being worse/better or 'more of' than anyone else.

The call will always be-but we have that here or there in the western world too, they are not the only ones, witness such and such.

Which of course is true. That's because we're all human and there are are unscrupulous people right across the board, every race, every nationality.

The question though (to me) is one of degree.

And the truth is that at different times, some countries or groups are way, way worse than others in some aspects. We're not all equal at all.

There's no doubt that over the last few decades, China has been able to get away with stuff that wouldn't fly here. Not because we're inherently morally better but because our laws have tightened.

Some time ago (but not the too distant past) I was reading about Chinese factories where the workers were not highly paid, lived on site and got sick or died at an alarming rate because of exposure to some of the chemicals used in the manufacturing process. They were making expensive brand name toys.

When I was in China a couple of years back, one of the guides said that China has improved tremendously over the last decade as far as freedom of speech went, but they still needed to be a bit careful. So yes, I wouldn't put it past the chinese government to repress knowledge about some things. You just can't access some things online in China either. Blocked.

[rogevibe]

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@go-tazz wrote:

The one thing I always find so "stupid" is that consumers keep buying these highly over priced products that

put insane profits into the hands of the owners of those companies when they know that they are made for only

a small amount of what they sell for.

As an example, in 2014, Nike reported $28.50 as the general cost to manufacture one pair of sneakers and

ship them to the United States. Nike's cost breakdown includes approximately $27.50 per pair for Chinese

factory labor and overhead costs, plus $1 in shipping.

So when buying a $100,$200 or $300 pair of sneakers they have huge profit margins and consumers are

dumb enough to pay those prices because they get "conned" into buying them.

Now they are looking at shifing as China is starting to raise prices so they are looking at cheaper countryies such

as Vietnam, Indonesia, or Thailand and using more robots.

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Nike shares trade at about US93 per share with earnings per share of about US$3 - if one can not beat them , join them !