We are headed for a recession

Our present govt is deliberately killing off jobs and deliberately fobbing off investment into renewable Energy.

 

 

What a great Adult Government

 

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"The Chinese property bust is smashing iron ore. Thermal and coking coal are still falling and/or catching up to past falls in contract prices:"

 "Falls overnight were again based on oversupply worries, with recent production expansion from the likes of iron ore heavyweights Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton, Fortescue Metals Group and Vale

 

What Chinese property bust? You have posted that before and it does not stand up to scrutiny "

 

"I am worried that there will be a run on banks." Do not worry because that is plain nonsense "

 

I remember back when in ?1980 that all the Australian banks were insolvent-but the media did not print or report on this at the time"

Oh goody a conspiracy

That is the best nonsense comment yet P007 so some references please,  remembering that implicit RBA support means that a bank will always meets that definition of solvency.

 

I think a return to C&P cartoons might be in order, because whilst C&P of others articles and your prophesies of doom and bust are worth the odd chuckle, nonsense posts whether about economics or evil chemtrailers, are just that: nonsense.

 

A double here: "what about Super funds 'savings'.....esp.that many/most are heavily invested in property.....and just a teensie-weesie point here, that Aust seems to be in a property bubble atm....."

What bubble? Superfunds in 2014 3 major investment categories: Shares 32%, cash term deposits 28%, property 16%.     16% hardly supports this silly comment: "many/most are heavily invested in property"

 

It looks like the XJO index is  not  synchronised with the doom /bust/fall/burst predictions !

 

 

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Aust economy slowly gets back on its feet

 

It's happening slowly, but the Australian economy is starting to shift away from its dependence on mining investment.

Australian business investment rose by an unexpected 1.1 per cent to $37.6 billion in the June quarter, official figures show, beating economists' expectations of a 0.9 per cent fall.

 

Entire Article Here

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supanova said:

Yes, this budget is killing our economy.  This morning I had to go to Frankston, place I normally would not go Friday because it gets too busy, and it is hard to park near where I need to go, but I had a small disaster and had to get something or I could not do what I wanted to do. 

To my surprise there were several parking spots in the 1 hour free parking area, which is the most convenient place to park, and normally, if you wish to park there, you can join th throng of cars driving round the block hoping to snatch a parking spot.  Then I was shocked that there were several empty shops, where only few weeks ago were businesses that were there for many years and obviously striving.  After I got my art supplies that I went there for, I visited several other shops, all were more or less empty; no customers and no staff to speak of.  That was about 10 - 10.30 Friday.

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Same in Bunbury CBD. Took my son in for haircut. Main street Victoria Street. Found a vacant spot at 1pm on a Friday.....unheard of 2-3 years ago. LOTS OF FOR LEASE SIGNS IN SHOP WINDOWS. Walked into major toy shop to have a gander (my neice BDay coming up) in main street.....looking for ideas. 3 people serving......2 other customers looking. They walked out without buying too. Not busy in the CBD at all. Shops closing down. Many vacant shope too.

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The 'in the know experts' are forecasting a 'major' recession...............

 

 

comments:

"Banks and Supermarket stocks are up and making profits while airlines are down. it’s a signal that says calm before the storm.

I say 2015 -2016. watch out."...

 

"No later than Sep/Oct 2015, methinks.".........................

 

 

The indicators are there......it's just a matter of when.

Suggest monman take his debate to MacroBusiness and take up his banter with them. They seem to be far better informed than he and their graphs and data are appropriate, informative and transparent:)

 

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/08/five-reasons-to-prepare-for-australian-recession/

Five reasons to prepare for Australian recession

Posted by Houses and Holes in Australian Economy, Australian recession at 5:00am on August 29, 2014 | 101 comments

 
 
 

Sigh. The moment has come to call a spade a spade. The Chinese property bust is smashing iron ore. Thermal and coking coal are still falling and/or catching up to past falls in contract prices:

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Gold and oil/LNG are also down sharply in the past few months. In short, Australia’s terms of trade (ToT) are getting smashed to the extent that it’s rapidly assuming the proportions of an external shock, especially since the Australian dollar has totally detached itself from the economy.

I can only estimate the ToT falls in train but can say with confidence that they are much bigger than forecast by Treasury or the RBA. Here is my best guess of what’s coming down the pipe in the next three quarters:

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Mercifully, thanks to a decent developed economy recovery, we’re being spared the equity debt shocks that usually transpire at the same time and income shock is not as big as the GFC hit (yet!) but it’s big enough to cause all sorts of economic fallout including:

  • hitting nominal growth hard and triggering more major Budget revenue misses by the time of MYEFO and then again in Q1 and Q2 next year
  • accelerating the mining bust and pushing up unemployment
  • deepening falls in per capita income and wage weakness

All of these are being made worse by the Australian dollar, which is now trading exclusively upon the state of European and US monetary policy. It should be at 80 cents and sinking.

In my May post, Five Reasons to Fear Australian Recession, I explored a worrying convergence of factors that could tip the economy into a major funk. They were:

  1. the mining investment cliff
  2. weak consumer confidence
  3. the Sydney and Melbourne investor mortgage blowoffs
  4. a terms of trade shock
  5. an Australian dollar that refuses to fall

Let’s update the five. The first is getting worse not better and will move even more quickly as commodity prices sink:

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The second has recovered moderately but remains gloomy:

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The third has gotten much worse and is vulnerable to a sudden reversal of sentiment. Fundamentals are falling away with rental and immigration growth slowing fast:

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The fourth is underway and the fifth is not responding as it should.

Q2 growth was already a virtual recession with the only real hope of dragging it up the arithmetic calculation of inventories. Q3 is not going to be much better. And the terms of trade and Budget fallout will roll out progressively over the next three quarters. I concluded in May that:

The possible convergence of these five negative waves in the third quarter would swamp the economy. Consumer confidence leads house prices and if it remains weak, and the external shock arrives, then Sydney and Melbourne housing could roll over just as mining-related job losses rise in WA and QLD as the Gorgon and QCLNG projects begin the construction wind down.

That’s an income shock, labour market stall and negative wealth effect plus public austerity. Real activity in  the national economy will resemble last year’s second half domestic demand recession even if measures like net exports hold up, only this time housing will be coming off not rising.

I’m bringing forward my next rate cut to October, with a possible follow up soon afterwards. And that brings me to the real problem. If these events do converge, why would a lousy 50bps make much difference?

I’ve since lifted the October call on RBA delusion but retain an easing bias. The next move is definitely down, as soon as housing slows. 2015 is going to be rough.

 

 

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maybe there are 3 areas to invest in super funds BUT the SMSFs are PUSHING property as the main course.

There is a bubble forming with Australian property because of overinflated pricing ....investment push.....FIRB.....Significant Foreign Infestor Scheme etc........

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from icyfroths Yahoo Finance link

 

"One of the issues over which they have called for patience is the transition to non-mining sources of growth, and it seems this patience is being rewarded," he said.

 

CommSec chief economist Craig James said bumper company profits and high cash levels had driven record investment in buildings in the past year.

 

"The hope is that the federal government can sort out its budget difficulties without affecting confidence levels," he said.

 

A couple of questions,

 

What are the non-mining sources of growth?

 

So the company profits are "bumper" and their are "high cash levels", why is unemployment increasing at alarming levels?

 

lastly, the "hope" mentioned in regards to the budget is - if Clive stays opposed along with the ALP and the Greens the budget is dead in the water, as most of us are hoping.  

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Called our local GIO today.

 

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@freddie*rooster wrote:

Called our local GIO today.

 

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banks and insurance companies have been "downsizing" for the last couple of years with more to come. still, we always have those 1 million jobs promised by the abbott to look forward to and don't forget all the riches that will flow forth now the carbon price has gone.....waiting.....waiting......

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@paintsew007 wrote:

Our present govt is deliberately killing off jobs and deliberately fobbing off investment into renewable Energy.

 

 

What a great Adult Government

 

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We've been in a recession since Kevin07 and haven't been able to get out of it. Billions of dollars wasted by labor can't be pulled out of a hat right now.

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Woman LOLyes of course i forgot - It's all Labors Fault - how could I have forgotten, although I do suggest you check those "facts" UFOinvestigations.

 

It's raining - It's Labors fault.

 

I fell down the stairs - It's all Labors fault

 

Obese? - It's all Labors fault.

 

Too Thin? - It's all Labors fault.

 

Corby's boyfriend arrested - Clearly Labors fault. 

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