We need to welcome Geert Wilders

nero_bolt
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DUTCH politician Geert Wilders is creating waves – and he has yet to hold a single public meeting in Australia.


 


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/ 


 


http://www.qsociety.org.au/ 


 


The taxpayer-funded multicultural channel SBS gave what it would think was a lengthy interview with Wilders last night and the taxpayer-funded ABC provided a shorter and very slanted interview with anti-Wilders protesters.


 


But his message cut through strongly - Islamists make poor migrants in Western liberal democracies.


 


We need to hear his message and think about what our misguided multicultural policy has wrought here.


 


Coincidentally, almost exactly a year ago The Economist magazine examined the effect of Islamic migration in the Nordic nations and the picture was not pretty.


 


In Sweden, it found that despite the best efforts of the Swedish state, the city of Malmo is a no-go zone with a 62 per cent rate of unemployment.


 


Angry (Muslim) youths have taken to rioting, torching bicycle sheds and recycling centres as well as cars.


 


Mass immigration, the magazine said, is posing serious problems for the region. For the Nordic countries to be able to afford their welfare states they need to have 80% of their adults in the workforce, but labour-force participation among non-European immigrants is much lower than that.


 


In Sweden only 51% of non-Europeans have a job, compared with over 84% of native Swedes. The Nordic countries need to persuade their citizens that they are getting a good return on their taxes, but mass immigration is creating a class of people who are permanently dependent on the state.


 


In the mid-1990s immigrants in their 40s—the age group that generally contributes most to the public budget—paid only marginally more in taxes than they received in benefits.


 


In Sweden 26 per cent of all prisoners, and 50 per cent of prisoners serving more than five years, are foreigners.


 


Some 46 per cent of the jobless are non-Europeans, and 40 per cent of non-Europeans are classified as poor, compared with only 10 per cent of native Swedes.


 


High immigration is threatening the principle of redistribution that is at the heart of the welfare state.


 


Income inequalities in the Nordic countries are generally lower than elsewhere, but Matz Dahlberg, of Uppsala University, reckons that immigration is making people less willing to support redistribution.


Immigration is also causing culture clashes.


 


Nordics fervently believe in liberal values, especially sexual equality and freedom of speech, but many of the immigrants come from countries where men and women are segregated and criticising the prophet Muhammad is a serious offence.


 


Peaceful Denmark found itself on the front-line of the culture wars when Jyllands-Posten, a newspaper, published cartoons making fun of Muhammad.


 


Immigration has divided the Nordics.


 


The Economist said the Swedes regard their open-armed approach to asylum-seekers as an expression of what is best in their culture.


 


The Danes revisited their immigration policies in 1999, spurred by the rise of the anti-immigrant Danish People’s Party.


 


They tightened the rules for family reunification, made it more difficult for newcomers to claim benefits and set up an integration ministry.


 


Today Denmark receives more non-European immigrants than ever, but it has radically reduced the number of refugees while increasing the number of people on student and work visas.


 


Liberals are increasingly on the defensive.


 


The number of immigration-related attacks is rising.


 


In 2010 Taimour Abdulwahab al-Abdaly blew himself up in the middle of a crowd of Christmas shoppers in central Stockholm; remarkably, he managed to injure only a couple of people.


 


Wilders has seen the problems arise in his native Netherlands and is here to warn Australians of the failure of multiculturalism.


 


He has travelled extensively in the Middle East and was invited by US politicians to address them.


 


Political correctness is so rife in Australia that former Immigration Minister Bowen stalled attempts to bring him here last year though Islamist hate speech imams appear to enter Australia and hold rallies at will.


 


What is good for hate-filled Islamists should be good enough for a Dutch MP and leader of the third largest political party in the Netherlands.


 


Wilders deserves support, his message needs to be heard – debate on this issue is more urgent than ever.


 


Yet the Q Society http://www.qsociety.org.au/ which brought him to Australia has had difficulty finding a venue and locations for his addresses must be kept secret until the last moment to make it more difficult for the protesters to disrupt those who wish to hear him.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Society_of_Australia 


 


This is what multiculturalism has reduced our once liberal democracy to.


 


Where once we used to pride ourselves on free speech we now need to hide champions of freedom from the bullies and thugs who don’t want or cannot debate its virtues.


 


Shame upon the nation.


 

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😉 this caused a little ripple in my breakfast chat this morning.... my OH said he agrees with Geert to an extent......


OH said he knows more radical Muslims than non radicals... I said I know more moderate Muslims than non moderate. :^O

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LL: "......besides, he's now a failed politician .his party was decimated into insignificant territory at the last dutch elections...."


In the last Dutch election (2012) "Wilders and the PVV ran on a campaign to have the Netherlands withdraw from the European Union and for a return to the guilder. The PVV won  16 seats in the election" which is over 10% of the parliamentary seats (150). Previously the PW held 24 seats.


24 seats to 16 is not decimation LL, 3 seats would be!


 


Wilders message has many aspects which I would take issue with.  However, a legal visitor with a valid visa is here to give some lectures which would appear to be within  our various laws. Members of the public wish to listen to the lectures, but some would strive to prevent them from so doing, and thus display their own brand of cancerous intolerance.


 


Hanson was "popular" for a while, and was allowed to speak.


 


The good old days:-


"I may disagree with what you have to say but I shall defend to the death your right to say it"

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so decimated is the wrong word. they definitely lost a lot of ground though. enough to describe him quite accurately as a failure 🙂


i say let him speak too, but as we have a media of such poor quality its up to protesters to express displeasure (and good for them i say)

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The good old days:-


"I may disagree with what you have to say but I shall defend to the death your right to say it"


 i wont. i'd much prefer him dead than me.

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Free speech is not a right...



 


Correct. We have free speech, within the limits of the Law 


 



Could his messages be considered Hate Speech, racial vilification ?


 


http://www.ask.com/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Australia


 


 

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LL: "......besides, he's now a failed politician .his party was decimated into insignificant territory at the last dutch elections...."


In the last Dutch election (2012) "Wilders and the PVV ran on a campaign to have the Netherlands withdraw from the European Union and for a return to the guilder. The PVV won  16 seats in the election" which is over 10% of the parliamentary seats (150). Previously the PW held 24 seats.


24 seats to 16 is not decimation LL, 3 seats would be!


 


 


 


 



 


Actually decimate would be losing 2.4 or 3 seats. So yes you could say, which ever party was decimated.


 

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Correct. We have free speech, within the limits of the Law 


 



Could his messages be considered Hate Speech, racial vilification ?


 


http://www.ask.com/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Australia


 


 



I would consider it hate speech..... but I suppose he will be carefully looked at for that and appropriate action taken, if it is so.


 

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 silverfaun would you or andrew whom you adore defend David Irving's right to speak. ?

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Hi Silverfaun 


 


http://www.immi.gov.au/living-in-australia/choose-australia/about-australia/five-freedoms.htm


Five fundamental freedoms


Freedom of speech


Australians are free, within the bounds of the law, to say or write what we think privately or publicly, about the government, or about any topic. We do not censor the media and may criticise the government without fear of arrest. Free speech comes from facts, not rumours, and the intention must be constructive, not to do harm. There are laws to protect a person's good name and integrity against false information. There are laws against saying or writing things to incite hatred against others because of their culture, ethnicity or background. Freedom of speech is not an excuse to harm others.


 


 


 

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But the hate preaching, women hating, uncovered meat commenting, hitting women preaching, female genital mutilation, condoning honour killing, mullahs are welcome here to preach hate & radicalize young muslim men eh?


 


Free speech is still a right in this country so be very careful when you all start to want it restricted.



 


And you may need to be a bit more careful how you word your posts, because the logical conclusion to be drawn from yours - though I'm sure that was not your intention - is that if it's OK to welcome a hate preaching Dutch Extremist it must also be OK to welcome the hate filled extremists he has come to preach against.


 


And  "welcome" is the keyword here. The title of this thread is "We need to welcome Geert Wilders. I for one do not "welcome" hatemongers of any persuasion - whether they should be allowed to come here and preach their hate is a separate issue.

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