Weed - should it be legal?

[i-need-a-martini]

Uruguay has just changed its legislation and is now the first country in the wrold to sanction the growing, selling and smoking of marijuana.

They have done it to put the illegal drug trade and drug traffikers out of business.

Personally I think it makes sense. If nicotine is legal than there is very little difference between the 2.

Your thoughts?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/uruguay-becomes-first-country-to-legalise-marijuana-trade-20131211-hv59x...

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@icyfroth wrote:

there will always be underground, under-the-counter markets for illicit trade and substances,

that's where they should stay. unreachable and unaffordable to the general public. especially to the very young.

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The General public or 1/3 of it

Cannabis is the most widely used illicit drug in Australia, with a reported one-third of all Australians aged 22 or older (

(33.5%, about 5.8 million) having tried cannabis and 1 million using it in the past year.

It is estimated that 750,000 Australians use cannabis every week, and approximately 300,000 smoke it on a daily basis.[2]

[icyfroth]

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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

there will always be underground, under-the-counter markets for illicit trade and substances,

that's where they should stay. unreachable and unaffordable to the general public. especially to the very young.

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The General public or 1/3 of it

Cannabis is the most widely used illicit drug in Australia, with a reported one-third of all Australians aged 22 or older (

(33.5%, about 5.8 million) having tried cannabis and 1 million using it in the past year.

It is estimated that 750,000 Australians use cannabis every week, and approximately 300,000 smoke it on a daily basis.[2]

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the operative word being ILLICIT!

[punch*drunk]

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

I dont recall saying that.

alcohol entered this discussion as a comparitive.

Comparing them and saying one should be legal just cause the other one is or vice versa is silly.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

I dont recall saying that.

alcohol entered this discussion as a comparitive.

Comparing them and saying one should be legal just cause the other one is or vice versa is silly.

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post 176

The problem does exist among drinkers.  

Lets make alcohol illegal, after all, it is the most abused substance in Australian society.

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Perhaps you could start a thread about that and get some opinions, its a totally different subject to legalising weed. I'm not sure why it keeps raising its head as some kind of argument or comparision.

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In fact really, all it does is prove that legalising a harmful substance is not the answer.

So I answerd that

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

I dont recall saying that.

alcohol entered this discussion as a comparitive.

Comparing them and saying one should be legal just cause the other one is or vice versa is silly.

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well you did it....... you used the example of alcohol abuse as a reason thet pot should not be legalized

[punch*drunk]

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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

I dont recall saying that.

alcohol entered this discussion as a comparitive.

Comparing them and saying one should be legal just cause the other one is or vice versa is silly.

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post 176

The problem does exist among drinkers.  

Lets make alcohol illegal, after all, it is the most abused substance in Australian society.

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Perhaps you could start a thread about that and get some opinions, its a totally different subject to legalising weed. I'm not sure why it keeps raising its head as some kind of argument or comparision.

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In fact really, all it does is prove that legalising a harmful substance is not the answer.

So I answerd that

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

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Nope still cant see where I said anything about all or the majority of drinkers. I think its a well established fact that drinking is harmful....isnt it?

[colic2bullsgirlore]

I was highlighting prohibition and it's failures.... there's a million more

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@icyfroth wrote:

erm...scuse me, colics...

We are living in AUSTRALIA fgs!

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[colic2bullsgirlore]

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@punch*drunk wrote:

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@colic2bullsgirlore wrote:

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@punch*drunk wrote:

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

I dont recall saying that.

alcohol entered this discussion as a comparitive.

Comparing them and saying one should be legal just cause the other one is or vice versa is silly.

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post 176

The problem does exist among drinkers.  

Lets make alcohol illegal, after all, it is the most abused substance in Australian society.

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Perhaps you could start a thread about that and get some opinions, its a totally different subject to legalising weed. I'm not sure why it keeps raising its head as some kind of argument or comparision.

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In fact really, all it does is prove that legalising a harmful substance is not the answer.

So I answerd that

So you obviously reckon that all people who drink alcohol have a problem or at least the major amount?

ie the sensible drinkers the ones that do nt cause a problem are in the absolute minimum

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Nope still cant see where I said anything about all or the majority of drinkers. I think its a well established fact that drinking is harmful....isnt it?

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Bzzzzt wrong Alcohol abuse ie drinking to excess is harmful

One glass of Red wine a day has been proven to be extremely therapeutic

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/4-health-benefits-of-red-wine.html

Red wine has well known health benefits. However, drinking any alcoholic beverage in excess can lead to alcoholism and the serious health problems associated with it, so limit your red wine consumption to no more than 24 ounces per day. Use FitDay to keep track of the calories you're eating and make sure that you get adequate nutrition on the road to weight loss as you enjoy the following benefits of an occasional glass of wine.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

1) Red Wine is Good for Your Heart

Red wine contains resveratrol, a powerful antioxidant compound. Resveratrol also protects your heart and arteries against the effects of saturated fat in your diet, so drinking one or two glasses of red wine a day can help protect your heart and prevent cardiovascular disease.

The flavonoids and sapponins in red wine also help to protect your heart against cardiovascular disease. The alcohol in red wine, when consumed in moderation, raises your levels of "good" HDL cholesterol, helps prevent the formation of blood clots and can help to protect your arteries from the damage caused by "bad" LDL cholesterol. 

2) Red Wine Contains Antioxidants

In addition to resveratrol, red wine contains a number of other antioxidants, which can slow the signs of aging and prevent a number of degenerative illnesses like type 2 diabetes. Drinking one or two glasses of red wine each day can help protect you from many of the diseases of the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

3) Red Wine Prevents Cancer

Mounting evidence suggests that drinking red wine in moderation can help prevent cancer. The many antioxidants in red wine can help prevent the oxidative damage responsible for the process of aging and for many degenerative conditions like Alzheimer's, type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Guercetin, one of the many antioxidants in red wine, may help prevent lung cancer. Research has shown that resveratrol, the same red wine antioxidant that helps protect your heart, can also kill cancerous cells.

Scientists have found that resveratrol, when used in conjunction with radiation therapy, can penetrate cancerous cells and induce apoptosis. Apoptosis is a type of cell death that occurs when the cell dies, dissolves and is removed by the white cells of your immune system. Cancer researchers have been looking for a way to induce apoptosis in cancerous cells, because it's the safest way to remove unwanted cells from the body.

Resveratrol also inhibits cancerous cells' ability to remove irradiated particles, making radiation therapy more effective against cancer. Resveratrol also attacks cancerous cells and inhibits their ability to function.

4) Red Wine Prevents Tooth Decay

Red wine, even non alcoholic red wine, hardens your enamel to prevent tooth decay. Hardened enamel is more resistant to Streptococcus mutans, the bacteria which lives on your teeth and is responsible for tooth decay. The polyphenols in red wine can also prevent gum disease, and even help to treat it by reducing inflammation in the gums.

Abusing any drug may be hamful but using a drug to a point below its therapeutic limit can only be helpful

[icyfroth]

Good nutrtition and exercise is good for your heart

Antioxidants are found in black tea and cidar vinegar

Good nutrition and exercise can prevent cancer

Flouride prevents tooth decay

No need to invoke addictive substances to support your cause to legalise dope.