What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[vicr3000]

"And of course the heartbreaking thing is that all this garbage that keeps being repeated does NOTHING to help those poor munchkins still being held in their prisons."

Absolutely 100% correct.

And you can be sure as hell that what has gone on is NOT going to make the Abbott Gov't change it's mind on the

policy any quicker or release them any quicker. I'd go so far as to say they will just shut down all discussion on

the subject once this whole thing blows over.

Solution ? TO CONSIDER

Now, I reckon that the Gov't MIGHT consider letting them out, children and families, IF they had an iron clad guarantee

that IF the AS were told, no, after investigation, they would NOT be granted refugee status, Visa's and they had to leave,

it wouldn't end up with a whole load of court cases by Burnside and others saying "Oh, but they have already put down

roots in the Community" etc etc etc.

Because of the previous issues with extraditing people once released and the lenghty legal fights that went on,

I think that has hardened the Gov't into doing it again, the end result being, more people stay in the camps.

Just a thought, would be interested to hear what others think.

[k0llectable5]

If it's not about politics why would this statement need to be in the report?

Commission decision to conduct an Inquiry
By July 2013, the number of children detained reached 1,992.
As the federal election was imminent, I decided to await the outcome of the election, and any
government changes in asylum seeker policy, before considering launching an Inquiry. 

???

I have been watching this thread with interest and it seems that there are two supposed cases where children have been sexually assualted by detention centre staff. Two too many but...

Does that mean the rest of the cases of suspected sexual assault/abuse are by detainees? 

I find it interesting that more hasn't been said about this in the report (if it is true) I think the report is quite vague and generalised, jmo. 

I did read a fair bit of it though it actually reminded me of HDS (Human development in society) assignments we used to do in VCE.  

[vicr3000]

I would say yes, it is detainees who did the other abuse.

Look at some of the cultures in the Camps.

Pakistani's have a known history (including thousands of recent cases) of rape and abuse of underage girls

Afghans and others have a known history for underage marriage and all the nasties that go with it.

Indians are known to gang rape women, and worse.

So why do people expect it to be different in a camp housing these nationalities ?

They aren't going to change just because of a change of location.

[icyfroth]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

This is not really about  children otherwise Triggs would have initiated this inquiry when thousands of kids were in detention.

So don't try to talk about "the children" when the leftists on here never uttered a word before, never murmured when Rudd and Gillard opened up our borders to the death and destruction of families for 6 years. 

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That is patently incorrect.  

Why do you tell lies about Triggs and the AHRC instead of looking at the facts?

Links to the facts have been posted in this thread.

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I give up.

So much has been posted on this thread that debunks the ridiculous statements made and yet the same ridiculous and incorrect remarks keep being made over and over.

Do  people actually READ anything? Or do you think that all the info you could ever possibly need is provided for you in incorrect but easy to digest gulps of info from the shock jocks?

It just shows what little thought processing is actually happening.

Thank goodness we are the 'lucky country' cause we sure as hell aren't an intelligent country.

And of course the heartbreaking thing is that all this garbage that keeps being repeated does NOTHING to help those poor munchkins still being held in their prisons.

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My understanding is that "those poor little munchkins"  are being held there because their parents brought them with them in an attempt to enter Australia illegally.

What is actually meant by "free the children"? Take them away from their parents and foster them to families in Australia. Release the families with children to Australia, even though they have been detained for trying to enter Australia illegally and so must be detained until their processing for entry is complete?

Do you not see how this would open the floodgates to people using children as a way to bypass Australia's border protection laws?

My further understanding is that the number of children in detention has actually been reduced from around 2000 to just over 100 under the Liberal government.

What's with the outrage about the children left, when it's only a matter of time until they too can be released?

Do you 

[gleee58]

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@vicr3000 wrote:

Glee

You wants facts.

Here are the basic, absolutely raw facts.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if the Rudd (and Gillard) hadn't dismantled Howards system and allowed the flood

of Asylum Seekers to arrive.

No arrivals, no need for detention, no one in detention, no child abuse. Simple."

And I'll add, we wouldnt have had any drownings either, 1200 of them !

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No, that is your opinion only and far removed from fact.

[vicr3000]

glee

I can't believe you said that.

Please explain how if no one is in detention abuse can still occur in detention ??????

And how can it be removed from fact when if no boats come, their is no one new to detain.

I await your reply.

[debra9275]

this is just something my children were talking about the other day ( it happened last year) and we haven't heard any more about it

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/adelaide-schoolchildren-reported-missing-from-nor...

[Anonymous]

can someone explain why some children

are living in the community and some are 

detained in detention facilities?  what are 

the decisions based on?

The Government's latest statistics, dated 31 January 2015, reveal that:

• 211 children are held in immigration detention facilities within Australia;
• 119 children are held in detention on Nauru;
• 1,551 children are detained in the community under residence determinations, a system referrred to as community detention; and
• 2,423 children are living in the community on bridging visas which mean their parents generally have no work rights and very limited access to any Government support. 

[gleee58]

Do you not see how this would open the floodgates to people using children as a way to bypass Australia's border protection laws?

Do you not see that half the capacity of the MCG in arrivals over a 6  year period is not "opening the floodgates"?

Do you not see that parents attempting to seek a safe haven with their children in an attempt to save their lives is not using children?

[vicr3000]

"Do you not see that half the capacity of the MCG in arrivals over a 6 year period is not "opening the floodgates"?"

That is opening the floodgates.
Just look at the graph of the arrivals.