What About The Children?

[the_great_she_elephant]

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN  except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that  over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments  there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault. 

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them -   then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top  legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre  even while you are reading this post? 

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government  or even  the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

[idlewhile]

There is a lot of coaching and tuturing of immigrants by advocates on how to riot, self harm and concoct stories about abuse.

The majority of Australians  are sick of the left and Labor  and the HRC and their contortions of trying to manipulate and emote unfounded advocates reports for political gain.

The Australian public is more than happy with the way the government is handling the illegal immigrant situation, they  stopped the unfettered taxi service to Australia by people smugglers and country shopping economic refugees.

End of story, if the left and labor can't see their ineptitude and failings re border security then they deserve to be in opposition and the HRC should be disbanded as too party political and no longer has the confidence of the public, thanks to Triggs.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@idlewhile wrote:

There is a lot of coaching and tuturing of immigrants by advocates on how to riot, self harm and concoct stories about abuse.

The majority of Australians  are sick of the left and Labor  and the HRC and their contortions of trying to manipulate and emote unfounded advocates reports for political gain.

The Australian public is more than happy with the way the government is handling the illegal immigrant situation, they  stopped the unfettered taxi service to Australia by people smugglers and country shopping economic refugees.

End of story, if the left and labor can't see their ineptitude and failings re border security then they deserve to be in opposition and the HRC should be disbanded as too party political and no longer has the confidence of the public, thanks to Triggs.

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Oh Idlewhile, you just can't help yourself, can you?

This thread isn't about the political shortcomings of any party or person. It is about children being abused in detention centres.

Are you saying the testimony of the children involved is all lies and there was no abuse? (that's what a representative of the  Catholic Churchwent on TV to say about early reports of abuse at the boys home at bindoon in WA - I remember the interview well.

Are you saying some children were abused but only during those periods when a Labor government was in office?

Are you saying children were abused but it's their parents fault for bringing them here in leaky boats?

Or are you saying they are only illegals so who gives a toss anyway.

[polksaladallie]

That seems to be the thinking in post 135.  Take their children away, then kick them out, children as well..

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

That seems to be the thinking in post 135.  Take their children away, then kick them out, children as well..

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but not 

[gleee58]

Just for those who insist Triggs did nothing while Labor were in office.

with apologies to She-ele for not focusing on the children.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/time-for-rethink-on-asylum-seeker-treament-...

I am gravely concerned that Australia's practices in relation to asylum seekers risk serious breaches of fundamental rights and freedoms under the human rights treaties by which Australia is bound.

It is eight months since the Houston panel reported on asylum seekers and the federal government subsequently re-established third-country processing and adopted the legally meaningless ''no advantage'' policy.

Yet asylum seekers continue to arrive in Australia – 13,500 since August 13 last year and more than 2000 last month. Though these are small numbers compared with most countries, they are high for Australia.

And while the April ministerial meeting under the Bali Process was successful in promoting regional co-operation to stop people smuggling and human trafficking, sadly the plight of asylum seekers – the victims of these crimes – remains unresolved.

But do we have the balance right when thousands of asylum seekers who have arrived since August are detained in wire compounds – including unaccompanied minors and families with children – without judicial oversight of the arbitrariness of their detention, and without processing their refugee claims?

In my view we have not struck an acceptable balance under international law and we urgently need to revise our practices, both to meet human rights standards and to ensure that we do not cause further harm to people fleeing desperate circumstances.

[vicr3000]

Legally meaningless ?

Really ?
Damned effective and no able to b stopped in a court.

The govt has oversight. Why do you need judicial ?

They do process the claims.

It just shows how meaningless those treaties are.

[poddster]

It seems to me that this is not about the abuse of children in or out of detention.

It has to do with yet another onslaught of "government in power" bashing.

The current government have implemented a successful policy to quench the influx of illegal immigrants, which is opposite to the previous government's policy and the members of the previous government do not like to be shown up as having been ineffectual.

All this kerflufle about the children of non citizens, yet there is very little said or done about the ill treatment on children who are Australian

The righteously indignant should get their priorities in correct order.

Just a question to ponder over, what rights should be extended to an invader?

[vicr3000]

Pod

If we hadnt spent or wasted so much money on AS, we could have spent more on other Australian children, namely aboriginal who suffer abuse and sexual assault.

[the_great_she_elephant]

All this kerflufle about the children of non citizens, yet there is very little said or done about the ill treatment on children who are Australian

 There has recently been a massive, country wide enquiry in the form of a Royal Commission into the ill treatment of Australian children. One of our CS members actually gave evidence to it. How on earth did you manage to miss it?

The righteously indignant should get their priorities in correct order.

Are you suggesting that the welfare and safety of children should be evaluated on a sliding scale depending on whether or not they are "citizens"?

Just a question to ponder over, what rights should be extended to an invader?

How many children have invaded  Australia in the last 20 years and what arms were they carrying?

[vicr3000]

You dont need to carry arms to be an invader.

Citizens are prioritised in other things.

I just wish we didnt have to spend so much money on this type of thing.