What Political Party will you vote for at the next election :)

nero_bolt
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What Political Party will you vote for at the next election?   ๐Ÿ™‚ 


 


And why for the people that want to say why


 


Just remember to all the people that read the posts on here but never say a word and there is lots of you voting is ANONYMOUS  and no one knows who voted for what so vote away 


 


I wanted to put  Independent and Donkey Vote as options as well but we are allowed only 5 choices

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Why would you even need to ask ?


 


You have had enough threads, argued with enough people whose views differ from yours


you should be able to tell us what everyone is voting.

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aaahhh diddumns Margo......


 


I asked because only a handful of people actually post on here and 95% are quite non posting lurkers and the voting is proving that correct.  The majority of regular posters on here are hard core far left leaning rusted on Labor supporters like you are Margo and  like I said the voting is proving that there are more quiet non posting LNP supporters on here than for your lot.


 


Margo life for you will be so terrible come September when the party you worship the disaster called the Labor party is given a major hiding at the polls from a very angry public and the anger is growing by the day..  


 


Margo what are you going to do when we have a stable sensible low spending  and living within our means Abbott govt cleaning up the massive mess and massive DEBT  that Gillard and Labor have left behind? 


 


freddie said:  How many ID's did you use to vote with Nero?


 


 


Just 1 freddie, I only have 1 ID and its this one....:)


 

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It's a given that we can safely divide the Liberal voters by at least three.

Joono
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aaahhh diddumns Margo......


 


I asked because only a handful of people actually post on here and 95% are quite non posting lurkers and the voting is proving that correct.  The majority of regular posters on here are hard core far left leaning rusted on Labor supporters like you are Margo and  like I said the voting is proving that there are more quiet non posting LNP supporters on here than for your lot.


 


Margo life for you will be so terrible come September when the party you worship the disaster called the Labor party is given a major hiding at the polls from a very angry public and the anger is growing by the day..  


 


Margo what are you going to do when we have a stable sensible low spending  and living within our means Abbott govt cleaning up the massive mess and massive DEBT  that Gillard and Labor have left behind? 


 


freddie said:  How many ID's did you use to vote with Nero?


 


 


Just 1 freddie, I only have 1 ID and its this one....:)


 



 


You are a really bad judge of people thoughts and beliefs nero I am not a dyed in the wool labor voter, don't remember ever saying I was.


I am actually one of those annoying swinging voters, trouble is you have done nothing at all to swing me towards liberal .


 


I don't really care who gets in the end result is always the same.


Labor spends money on things the country needs.


 


liberal spends nothing and saves it all for labor to spend next time they get in. :^O

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Margo what are you going to do when we have a stable sensible low spending  and living within our means Abbott govt cleaning up the massive mess and massive DEBT  that Gillard and Labor have left behind? 


 


freddie said:  How many ID's did you use to vote with Nero?


 


 


Just 1 freddie, I only have 1 ID and its this one....:)


 



 


:^O:^O


 


Stable, sensible and abbott in one sentence. The world has gone mad for sure.   :^O:^O


 


Funniest post of the day!


 


 

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I'll leave you with something else to ponder.


I must get more work done  :^O


 


http://newmatilda.com/2013/04/02/poverty-class-war-rhetoric


The Poverty Of Class War Rhetoric


By Ben Eltham


Is the ALP gearing up to fight a class war?


Come off it. Making superannuation fairer is hardly the first step toward a dictatorship of the proletariat, writes Ben Eltham


If there is a single phrase that reveals the poverty of our national conversation in 2013, โ€œclass warโ€ must be it. It was once a genuinely-held view of ALP firebrands, such as the Melbourne thunderer Frank Anstey or the New South Wales populist Jack Lang โ€“ neither of whom, by the way, would have suffered the description of socialist. In the 1940s, Ben Chifley really did try to nationalise the banks, in a bitter constitutional and political battle that eventually cost his party government.


 


But in the wake of the Whitlam government, big-L Labor has made its peace with capital. The 1980s government of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating was so neo-liberal that a new phrase, โ€œeconomic rationalismโ€, entered the vernacular to describe its deregulatory impulses.


 


Nor have the governments of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard been noticeably anti-business, except by the yardstick of business itself, which has consistently opposed key ALP policies even when they have been of benefit to the broader economy. Such is the dastardly state of political discussion in this country that the Coalition, which seeks to impose a greenhouse gas emissions target by means of regulation and government spending, is somehow preferred by many business groups to Labor, which seeks to impose the same target by means of a market mechanism in the form of a freely-traded carbon permit scheme.


 


I suppose that's par for the course in a country where we've seen much of the media leap upon statements about โ€œclass warโ€ by departing Rudd-camp ministers Martin Ferguson and Simon Crean.


So will Labor establish a dictatorship of the proletariat, nationalise all the property and distribute the Commonwealth's resources according to need? Will it take over the mining industry, or the banks, and run them for the public good? Perhaps the farms will be collectivised and the kulaks liquidated? After all, did not Lenin write that โ€œwars waged by the oppressed class against the oppressing classโ€ were โ€œlegitimate, progressive and necessaryโ€?


 


No, Labor wants to make superannuation fairer. We think.


It's hard to believe it, given the delight with which the media has recycled the meme, but the Government currently has not yet given any indication of preemptory social redistribution. In fact, no changes to superannuation have so far been announced.


We assume, because Simon Crean has told us, that Wayne Swan is thinking about levying some extra taxes on wealthy superannuation recipients. But in fact, there is nothing yet on the table. What changes the Government will eventually recommend are almost certainly likely to be relatively minor, in keeping with the compulsive habit of governments of all persuasions to tinker with superannuation tax breaks โ€” tax breaks that cost the federal purse tens of billions. 


 


As Ian McAuley writes today, if superannuation policy really is a class battleground, it's a battle the rich are winning. The majority of the huge tax concessions given out to superannuation every year go to the rich, while our nation's poorest, with the smallest super balances, get no tax concession at all.


The reason is that super is taxed at a relatively flat rate. Before Labor introduced a special break for low-income earners in last year's budget, all super was taxed at 15 per cent. This gave huge incentives to high-income earners in top tax brackets to stock as much of their income into super as they could. Income paid at the top marginal tax rate will cost high-income earners 45 cents in the dollar, while income paid into super attracts only 15. From an accounting point of view, for many top executives and high net worth individuals, self-managed super is really just a government-sanctioned tax haven. Even better, it is completely legal and has none of the risks of offshore jurisdictions like Vanuatu or Cyprus. All this makes super regressive.


 


It's small wonder the government is looking to claw back some of this advantage. After all, the federal budget is in structural deficit after a decade of income tax cuts delivered by Peter Costello and Wayne Swan. Under Costello, most of these tax cuts helped middle-income earners, while under Swan they have been skewed more to helping those at the lower end. But the combined result of all of them across many years is that Australia's tax take is no longer enough to pay for the government's expenditure, even after Labor's aggressive cost-cutting and efficiency measures since 2009.


 


It's worth dwelling on this point for a minute when we weigh up the common argument that this government can't balance its books. As we can see across the last 10 years or so, expenditures associated with the 2009 stimulus package were essentially a temporary blip. Since the big spend-up, the feds under Labor have quickly tightened their belts, returning spending to levels similar to those at the end of John Howard's reign.


 


The real damage to the bottom line has been on the revenue side, where the boom and bust cycle of the commodities boom has meant huge fluctuations in company taxes, even while both Liberal and Labor have been incrementally reducing personal income tax rates. Worse still, inflation and wage rises have both been very low in recent times, robbing the government of tax dollars through bracket creep. In short, as we've pointed out here at New Matilda before, the government doesn't raise enough tax.


 


But the current rhetoric about โ€œclass warโ€ shows how hard it is to introduce or increase taxes to deliver public services more sustainably difficulties. When mild efforts to get mining companies and high income earners to pay more for their non-renewable resources and retirement tax concessions are branded as โ€œclass warโ€, one wonders how a genuinely redistributive policy would be greeted.


 


But that's the problem with being a Labor government in 2013. Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan win no plaudits for their economic orthodoxy when it comes to pursuing a highly conventional strategy of cost-cutting in the wake of a downturn. Indeed, they are constantly attacked as profligate. But when Labor tries to bring in more revenue to improve the budget bottom line, suddenly it's a bunch of greedy socialists stealing money from the deserving rich.


 


It's depressingly reminiscent of another quote of Lenin's: โ€œDemocracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the rich โ€” that is the democracy of capitalist society.โ€

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have been waiting for a response from LL because we have no idea who LL will vote for, do we ?????


Remember if you vote "donkey" you may get an ass for a leader and if you don't vote for a legitimate party then you cannot complain.


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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i will vote for my local member in the lower house, and for the green senate candidate. in fact any sensible person should vote for the greens in the senate as they have proven to be correct on climate issues. conservative senators are the greatest threat to reasonable climate outcomes. that includes liberals , independents and kattertonics (not to mention hunters fishers and other single issue wastes of space) ABC http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-03/scientist-endorse-report-that-says-climate-has-shifted/4606372

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FN from your link: ".......Income paid at the top marginal tax rate will cost high-income earners 45 cents in the dollar, while income paid into super attracts only 15......."

A somewhat simplistic (deliberate) comment that overlooks a few relevant facts.

The Government has confirmed that the higher tax rate will not apply to excess contributions that have been subject to excess contributions tax.

Tax on amounts over the concessional cap of $25,000 pa,    31.5% (in addition to the 15% paid by the super fund)

Non-concessional Contributions Cap tax on amounts over $150,000 pa :    46.5%
Non-concessional contributions remain unchanged at $150,000 per year

Whist many are jumping up and down apropos the carefully targeted populist "fabulously  rich" ????? super funders (all 1% of them),  there is little comment about the "hits" to the lower income fund contributors, why?

The higher income threshold against which the co-contribution is assessed has been reduced from $61,920 to $46,920 and the maximum co-contribution matched by the Government has decreased from $1,000 to $500.

From the TWUSuper site: When you invest in super, you can take advantage of a range of benefits that don't usually apply to investments outside of super."

If the government wishes to change "super" protocols, fine for future investments, but as Crean has stated "not retrospectively".

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i will vote for my local member in the lower house, and for the green senate candidate. in fact any sensible person should vote for the greens in the senate as they have proven to be correct on climate issues. conservative senators are the greatest threat to reasonable climate outcomes. that includes liberals , independents and kattertonics (not to mention hunters fishers and other single issue wastes of space) ABC http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-03/scientist-endorse-report-that-says-climate-has-shifted/4606372



 


Gosh I must be stupid then along with the bulk of Australians because I won't be voting for the Greens. LL we can all have a different point of view without being "stupid" and you just have to realise other people can think for themselves.


Keep it nice, I might cry if you write anything upsetting (like not)
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