on 11-03-2014 10:44 PM
I was just watching Hannah Gadsbys (brilliant!) show on the ABC on Australian Art and they brought up some interesting ideas about indigenous culture. It was particularly interesting given the debate on Q&A last night about Bolts "white aborigines" tirade.
So how many generations can pass before you shed your culture?
I am a first generation Italian and my kids are second generation. But we all call ourselves Italian if asked what culture we are. I imagine my grand and great grand kids will also refer to their Italian culture. Not sure beyond that.
My husband embraces his dads Canadian culture and his mothers Englishness. Yet his mothers ancestors came out from England in the early 1900s. Can he still really claim that his culture is English?
How would you relate your culture if asked what your background is?
on 12-03-2014 08:24 AM
I think once the forbears arrived in this colony, they classed themselves as Australian. They were the ones with the Spanish bloodline from way back in their own history.
However, we in my family, have the colouring (Black hair/blue eyes; black hair/brown eyes; red hair/blue eyes; blond/blue;) of those various background bloodlines.
I have tangible Cultural Heritage items from the 1800's and customs of "table setting" hasn't changed (other than the quality of silverware) The intangible Cultural Heritage of language has always been English.
I now have family members within the "Deb Empire", who have Indian bloodlines. So the heritage has changed once more for that family member's children. The mother wears what we class as everyday aussie dress code. But at "special events" she wears a sari. (Try and see a room full of sari-wearing women dancing to Abba 's Dancing Queen under a disco light - the most beautiful scene!) And I don't want to see that heritage/custom disappear too soon but that will depend on the children.
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Summing up, in my family, I think just 1 generation changed the dynamics of a nationality.
DEB
12-03-2014 08:56 AM - edited 12-03-2014 08:57 AM
Its actually kind of insulting when people say Australia has no culture and even those of us that go back up to 7 generations here, for some reason, need to look back to the distant past to find another race/nationality that we should identify with.
A few generations back, most people wouldnt have even known where anyone other than living relatives came from. In many cases, the first generations of Australian born English/Irish/Scottish didnt even know their grandparents names let alone where they were born or what their "culture" was.
on 12-03-2014 09:08 AM
I am not suggesting that anyone needs to 'change' their culture or that Australian has no culture.
I am simply asking at what point does a persons cultural heritage stop being the one that defines them or the one they identify as their background?
And that has little to do with migrating to another country because your cultural heritage informs much of how you behave, what you eat, how you dress etc.
However I think this line is interesting: To suggest that people need to change to be Australian goes against our Culture. I think most people in this country WOULD suggest that you need to change to be Australian. How many times have we heard on these forums the line 'If they don't like it, then they can go back to their own country.'? We DO expect people to change and we simply tolerate their cultural differences - dress, speaking in another language in public, etc.
on 12-03-2014 09:26 AM
We DO expect people to change and we simply tolerate their cultural differences - dress, speaking in another language in public, etc.
Clearly some people have an issue with the Burka (sp?) but you dont often hear people complaining about sari's or other forms of traditional dress, it really just the facial covering that creates a distrust issue for some people.
I also dont agree that Australians expect everyone to speak English "in public" but its pretty bad manners to speak another language in a small group where some dont understand. Same goes for English people in other countries. I think if you want to live in Australia you should have a reasonable enough grasp of English to carry on a conversation and do your shopping, banking etc.
We have some Italians where I live (lots of them actually) and some of the older women never really learnt English and I think its a shame. Most of the younger generations dont speak Italian now, and if the older women lose their husbands, it makes things hard for them. Having a good grasp of the main language can only benefit people.
Actually, speaking of my local Italians, there are some my kids ages that would only be about 1/4 Italian that still consider themselves "wogs" (their words) I think perhaps their kids may think differently, when there are no family members left that were born in Italy, it will probably make it harder to hang onto the culture.
on 12-03-2014 09:39 AM
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I was just watching Hannah Gadsbys (brilliant!) show on the ABC on Australian Art and they brought up some interesting ideas about indigenous culture. It was particularly interesting given the debate on Q&A last night about Bolts "white aborigines" tirade.
How would you relate your culture if asked what your background is?
I missed Hannah's show. Guess what I'll be catching up with on iview today?
She comes from miff'n 😄
on 12-03-2014 09:46 AM
@freakiness wrote:
@i-need-a-martini wrote:I was just watching Hannah Gadsbys
looks like a guy to me sure isnt a wonam even though it says it is... more guy than gal that one
the debate on Q&A last night about Bolts "white aborigines" tirade.
he is allowed an opinion just like the lefties are but in the case of the left they dont think anyone else is allowed an opinion and bolt is correct most of these loud mouth people claiming they are aboriginals are whiter then i am and they seem to forget that they have white parents and when do you stop being aboriginal as these people think even 100 generations down the track that they have the right to bleed the system
on 12-03-2014 10:32 AM
It's comments like that, that cause the divide. In my opinion.
on 12-03-2014 10:36 AM
Expressing racist stereotypes is not a legal right in our Country.
12-03-2014 10:40 AM - edited 12-03-2014 10:45 AM
Stereotypes about Aboriginal Australians
Research has found “entrenched negative stereotypes” of Aboriginal people in Australia [19].
Stereotypes can take many forms and shapes. Some of the more common ones say that Aboriginal people… [4,6]
Further, many Australians believe that ‘we are not responsible for the past’ and don’t owe Aboriginal people anything, a view advocated for many years by former Prime Minister John Howard.
The racist stereotyping is alive and well in Australian culture. Never mind that these stereotypes can be shown for the lies that they are, racists never let truth or facts hold them back. I'm Aboriginal and I am aware of the **bleep** every freakin' day!
on 12-03-2014 11:03 AM
I wondered how long it would take...........