on โ25-09-2020 02:12 PM
What's the first thing that comes to your mind when someone tells you they're a vegetarian?
โ01-10-2020 09:49 AM - edited โ01-10-2020 09:51 AM
@joz*garage wrote:We should be cutting down on meat consumption. Too much is not good for you.
Who is consuming too much?
I'll have balanced meals that includes meat (me likes it) each day
The only issue I see with meat is animal farming that heavily impacts on the environment
methane gas etc etc
I think if you look into the carp that is pushed by the vegie and vegan lobby, you will that a lot of the information bandied around is based on intensive Northern hemisphere farming systems. While land is certainly cleared for grazing, it is also cleared to grow crops so that issue is a neutral, no win one for either side.
On the subject of water used to produce a kg. of beef compared to a kg. of vegies, the extravagant claims of the greens movement are based on feeding animals on intensive irrigated crops and intensive winter housing as practiced in Europe, rather than the broadacre grazing methods used in Australia. And water isnt just used. It rarely breaks down, it just vaporises and returns to earth as rain. It is a cycle, not a single use, end product as the greens would have us believe.
The same applies to methane emissions. Yes if you feed an animal a diet high in irrigated crops and whole grains, they are going to produce a lot of excess gas. The reason being they are not really designed to eat that type of diet. If you feed them salt bush and blue bush or harder native pastures as used by Australian graziers, the diet is much more natural and the animal creates less emissions.
There is a lot of diesel fuel emissions, phosphate damage to water systems, herbicide damage to the environment, dergradation and errosion of fragile soils, exploitation of low paid workers and insecticides killing our micro fauna and bee's involved in getting your fresh, unblemished tomatoes and lettuce to the supermarket shelves.
As with most things pushed by the greens / animal rights movements, there are a lot of porkies dressed up as pork. Lies and carefully selected statistics told to an unsuspecting public who usually accept them at face value without taking the time to really think through the issues logically.
on โ01-10-2020 10:18 AM
The irony that doesnt seem to have dawned on the flag waving RAH RAH. crowds at the bee extinction rallies recently is that it isnt meat that is causing our bees to go extinct, its the insecticides used to produce the vegitarian component of our diet.
EAT MORE MEAT and SAVE OUR BEES !!!
โ01-10-2020 10:43 AM - edited โ01-10-2020 10:44 AM
@chameleon54 wrote:The irony that doesnt seem to have dawned on the flag waving RAH RAH. crowds at the bee extinction rallies recently is that it isnt meat that is causing our bees to go extinct, its the insecticides used to produce the vegitarian component of our diet.
EAT MORE MEAT and SAVE OUR BEES !!!
There are natural ways of farming veges with other plants to protect crops.
And yes, eat meat .... steak's great!
โ01-10-2020 11:08 AM - edited โ01-10-2020 11:10 AM
@4channel wrote:
@chameleon54 wrote:The irony that doesnt seem to have dawned on the flag waving RAH RAH. crowds at the bee extinction rallies recently is that it isnt meat that is causing our bees to go extinct, its the insecticides used to produce the vegitarian component of our diet.
EAT MORE MEAT and SAVE OUR BEES !!!
There are natural ways of farming veges with other plants to protect crops.
And yes, eat meat .... steak's great!
That's very true, but organic crops on average only produce around a third of the usable production as chemically grown, mono - culture crops. ( and cause soil degradation due to constant tilling to control weeds ) That's why the global food chain is dominated by commercial, chemically enhanced crops. They are cheap, bountiful and preserve soil structure.
If the world converted to organics tommorow over half of the global population would starve. They would not be able to afford food at all ( and it simply wouldn't be available to them as we could not grow enough organically to feed everyone ) and food costs to those in more affluent countries would sky rocket. It would cause a global starvation episode and recession that would make the current COVID pandemic look ,like a Sunday School picnic.
Our problem isn't meat consumption or vegans or coal or cars. Its over population. Australia currently has the chance to truly be a world leader in the greatest moral challenge of our time. Stop immigration and move to a population neutral or slow population decline. If we reduce our global population back to sustainable levels, most of the environmental issues would resolve themselves.
on โ01-10-2020 02:31 PM
Back to the topic - LOL - what do you think of vegetables.
on โ01-10-2020 06:41 PM
@domino-710 wrote:Back to the topic - LOL - what do you think of vegetables.
Yeah, I don't think much of Trump.
on โ01-10-2020 06:46 PM
Oh that is mutual. lol
on โ01-10-2020 06:49 PM
@domino-710 wrote:Back to the topic - LOL - what do you think of vegetables.
Vegetarians ? ....Everyone to their own. They are not affecting me, so what ever floats their boat.
on โ01-10-2020 06:56 PM
No - no - vegetables.
What's your favourite.
Don't know why - I love peas. lol
โ01-10-2020 08:54 PM - edited โ01-10-2020 08:55 PM
Spuds.
A good side dish for meat. Best when fried.