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@martinw-48 wrote:
Wow.
So only if money is made is effort achieved.
Not everyone needs a financial reward to do something
Some people actually do stuff just to feel good
Or woe forbid for personal esteem
Then there are the true patriots that do stuff for the betterment of the country and society
Although there are less and less of those nowadays just look at the figures of volunteers
We have more in common than you might think. I agree with everything above......
Chamo, you completely ignore the fact that the reason no Socialist state has succeeded is because of the greedy people that float to the top and steal from their citizens.
No I don't ignore it. I just think that is the second greatest reason socialism always fails. The first reason being that human nature dictates that most people will only work harder and smarter than some-one else if they see some reward for their effort. While there are always exception to any rule, we see that with no reward, humans tend to become lazy loafers, bludging.off of other peoples efforts. Human existence then becomes a race to the bottom of mundane, mediocraty.
We have already seen this attitude of boring mediocraty expressed on this thread by some other posters who regularly post in support of Labor / Socialist ideals.. And if we want to see the socialist philosophy of all men are equal but some more equal than others, played out in Australia we only have to look at how the current Labor party has been completely taken over by self serving, self interested union hacks.
And therefore is the crux of the problem.
The greedy.
You go for it mate.
Get what you want.
Build that dynasty.
Its not about building a dynasty. I have had plenty of times in my life when I haven't had money to buy food or pay basic bills and being self employed, there was no government hand outs to make it all better. It aint fun. All I am trying to do by working is provide some security for my family and help my kids get started in a difficult climate for young people.
But don't for one minute make out it is the right thing to do.
See above and then please explain why that is not " the right thing to do ".
Humans have lived on this planet for millions of years without money.
In the stone age. For better or worse, humans no longer live a stone age existence and harping back to that time will not change the here and now. Society is a bit like ebay. It has plenty of faults, but that is the system we have to work in.
We can do it again but it requires intelligence.
True intelligence not the faux intelligence of wealth.
Also the belief that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
@davidc4430 wrote:we have in this country a large group of citizens who have no choice but to live of a pitence and are told stop complaing you have it so good
pentioners, the unemployed and the disabled. the homeless are even worse off.
in this day n age (my fav term ever) the rest of society mostly dont care all that much about these people.
all the unemployed are just bludging is the message from govt.
pentioners are all living in million dollar homes is the message from govt
the disabled now have the Disability insurance scheme so they are laughing is the message from govt
and the homeless are there by choice is the message from govt.
so we dont need to hear all the sob storys as the govt is taking really good care of these unfortunates.
right?
My views on this are on the record and haven't changed. There are many genuine people who a compassionate society should just automatically assist as a matter of course. This includes the elderly, genuinely unemployed ( and yes there are plenty of people who want to work but cant find a job, ) single parents trying to bring up little kids on their own and those with physical or mental health problems. Not only should they have a right to community assistance, society should not stigmatise these people the way it sometimes does at present.
The thing that is often forgotten in this debate is that every-one of us is only a second away from relying on social support due to an accident, car crash or illness. Everything else aside it is good personal insurance to ensure society and government have adequate support structures in place, regardless of ones political views. .
This is a separate issue to the merits or otherwise of socialist philosophy which in its purest form dictates that everyone should receive equal share of community wealth and peoples lives, work and home should be completely controlled by the state. As already stated, socialist policy always fails because there is no incentive to strive or achieve to the best of ones ability. It becomes a race to the bottom of bland, boring nothingness. .
Aside from the fact that it simply does not work, I don't want my life controlled by the state, living in a cookie cutter house in a cookie cutter street and going to work each day in a cookie cutter bus to a cookie cutter factory to make cookies. ie. the mundane monotony of socialism.
I want to live as I please, truly experience life, enjoy the privacy of my own little slice of heaven, dream of what might be possible, do the best I can at what i,m doing ( now there's a quaint idea foreign to many socialists....
) , help my kids, family and wider community and then retire without the government dictating my every thought and action. Basically I choose personal freedom rather than state control.
