What is this Ice Task Force going to do?

[donnashuggy]

For those addicted to the drug.

[gleee58]

[polksaladallie]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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See post # 8

I don't know anybody who has jumped off a bridge either, but I know from experts what happens when they do.

The trouble with misinformation about drugs which is passed on to schoolchildren is that they know that it is wrong, so they dismiss the parts of the lecture which are true.

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Spot on.  My class had the very first drug education class in the country.  They provided us with a handy pocket sized text book that turned out to have the lowest return rate of any of the book hire books, ever.

The messages were so conflicting that they were completely lost.  We had some nice healthy people with good jobs attend to tell us how bad drugs were and to tell us not to follow in their footsteps because we'd die.  But there they were looking like mighty fine young specimens in their twenties, with mighty fine careers.  

The first thing half the class did was find some of the evil weed to try.  

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That's exactly what happened at the high school (one of the best state schools in Brisbane) which my children attended.  The students used to laugh because they were being told lies about MJ and other drugs, so they ignored everything.

One of the sailors at HMAS Stirling said that at any one time about 30 crew were taking ice on board when at sea.  They were not necessarily addicted and they do not die.  They continue on with their tasks.

The same was said of heroin, use it once and you will be addicted.  Pity the patients who I injected then.

Most heroin users are working people who use it recreationally.  They are not sitting in the gutter.  I do not know what the parallel figures are as regards to methamphetamine.

[polksaladallie]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

It seems that most bi-polar sufferers have a history of amphetamaine use in their youth, or childhood, but I haven't heard what the long term effects of methamphetamine are.  Some people use it as a recreational drug only, and have no problems.  Same as any other drug.

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I would rephrase it:  "bi-polar sufferers tends to not cope during adolescence and often turn to drugs and/or alcohol during this time.  Parents then blame the drugs for change in their children, but cause and effect is not established.  Many kids experiment during their teens". 

I agree, many people take "hard" drugs recreationally without getting addicted.  These people are not known about, because we do not hear about them, we do not notice them if we pass them on the street.  But some do get addicted; most likely because of underlying problem.   They need help just like any other ill person does, and the cost of helping them is less than the cost to society if we keep jailing them, and then letting them out with the same problems only aggravated by poverty and less chance of getting job, or proper help. 

TA's ignorance showed when he said something about ICE being more addictive than LSD, which is not addictive.

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I know what you mean, but that probably applies to psychosis and schizophrenia, more seriouis than bi-polar.  I was thinking about all the young people who use amphetamines and do not show signs of bi-polar until decades after they cease to use it.

[li.vish]

Hi everyone, the discussion is getting a little heated.  Please be sure to keep your communications civil.  Thanks!

[donnashuggy]

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@*pepe wrote:

so,,, how about that task force....

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What I am interested in is how they are going to reduce demand?

[chuk_77]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

tobacco is perfectly legal. Ice however is not and stuffs you up quicker and in far worse ways than smokes ever could. Do some research before making such insane comments. You wanna try ice? Be my guest, you will be addicted more or less straight away and no doubt dead or in jail within a few years. God you come out with strange things

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This is not true.  The same was said of heroin years ago, that was not true either.

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know a few meth heads to get that info do you? 

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See post # 8

I don't know anybody who has jumped off a bridge either, but I know from experts what happens when they do.

The trouble with misinformation about drugs which is passed on to schoolchildren is that they know that it is wrong, so they dismiss the parts of the lecture which are true.

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i do know a few so Ill stand by my statement. Ive seen the devestation it causes all round and how quick the addication took hold. So dont accuse me of misinformation as yours is not so correct either.

[***super_nova***]

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@chuk_77 wrote:

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i do know a few so Ill stand by my statement. Ive seen the devestation it causes all round and how quick the addication took hold. So dont accuse me of misinformation as yours is not so correct either.

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How could you possibly know?  Because a junkie told you they only took one hit and could not stop?  It is possible that some vulnerable people do get addicted like that, but that does not mean that all do.  And rule No 1; never trust a junkie.

And how can we trust government that keeps heroin illegal despite the fact that it s much more effective for pain control than morphine, and  with fewer unpleasant side effects. 

The problem is that street drugs can contain just about anything, nobody knows what exactly they are getting. 

[*pepe]

you want heroin made legal?

are you nuts?

[nevynreally]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@chuk_77 wrote:

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i do know a few so Ill stand by my statement. Ive seen the devestation it causes all round and how quick the addication took hold. So dont accuse me of misinformation as yours is not so correct either.

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How could you possibly know?  Because a junkie told you they only took one hit and could not stop?  It is possible that some vulnerable people do get addicted like that, but that does not mean that all do.  And rule No 1; never trust a junkie.

And how can we trust government that keeps heroin illegal despite the fact that it s much more effective for pain control than morphine, and  with fewer unpleasant side effects. 

The problem is that street drugs can contain just about anything, nobody knows what exactly they are getting. 

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You're talking apples and oranges here, and blaming government. Heroin, in the context of this thread is an illegal substance, as ice is, and it's kind of shocking to me that people are spouting that either of these drugs aren't that bad, and people that use these illegal drugs are just a little stressed. They are illegal because they are detrimental to the mental health of long term users. As to the pain relief issue. Define your pain that justifies these drugs being on the street and available to anyone.

I could have saved so much time typing all this out if I'd just waited a few minutes.

[gleee58]

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@*pepe wrote:

you want heroin made legal?

are you nuts?

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all that does is return it to being a health issue instead of the criminal issue it has become.