What is this Ice Task Force going to do?

[donnashuggy]

For those addicted to the drug.

[youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

you want heroin made legal?

are you nuts?

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all that does is return it to being a health issue instead of the criminal issue it has become.

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Interesting discussion...

I will add my pov- and I do have some direct experience dealing with a close family member who became a heroin addict..he would use  -its a health issue- to defend his behaviour- desperate, awful things he would do to get enough money to get on..

It seemed to me it was 'health issue' to him, but a criminal issue for everyone else dealing with him..

Oh, except for the health professionals who continued to recommend methadone..

[lionrose.7]

Speaking of drugs you guys need a Bex and a Lay down 🙂

[nevynreally]

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

Speaking of drugs you guys need a Bex and a Lay down 🙂

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Why? 

Doesn't this forum want discussion? Or is it only certain topics? Certain posters?

[watta*drama*queen]

Why do they call it 'dope' ?

No answer necessary

Just read some of the posts in support of it and other drugs !

[joz*garage]

Unbelievable the way some people think.

what parts do you find unbelieveable?

Drugs Kill or turn people in to walking zombies.

so does leaglized tobacco and alcohol

People steal and kill to get drugs, proven FACT.

this might happen with the ridculous increases in the price of tobacco too

I really have to walk away from the computer

i thought you were walking away....

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

Speaking of drugs you guys need a Bex and a Lay down 🙂

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[***super_nova***]

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@*pepe wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

you want heroin made legal?

are you nuts?

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I want heroin to be made available to cancer patients and other seriously ill and suffering people, just as morphine is.  it is more effective.

I have never said that ice or heroin are not detrimental to health of people who misuse them, but it is not as straightforward as we are being told.

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making it available under a dr's supervision and on prescription is a bit different to making it legal....

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For doctors to be able to prescribe heroin it has to be made legal and put on the medication register, albeit as restricted medication.  But governments are not willing to do that because that would show that we were mislead by them all these years. 

[nevynreally]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

you want heroin made legal?

are you nuts?

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I want heroin to be made available to cancer patients and other seriously ill and suffering people, just as morphine is.  it is more effective.

I have never said that ice or heroin are not detrimental to health of people who misuse them, but it is not as straightforward as we are being told.

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making it available under a dr's supervision and on prescription is a bit different to making it legal....

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For doctors to be able to prescribe heroin it has to be made legal and put on the medication register, albeit as restricted medication.  But governments are not willing to do that because that would show that we were mislead by them all these years. 

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But you couldn't have said that from the start?

Morphine is not legal outside medical usage for a reason.

Question is, do some of you just look for an arguement? or are your just misinformed posters?

[donnashuggy]

Do you know what the Task Force is going to do to stop demand Nevyn? I am an uninformed poster 🙂

[gleee58]

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

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@donnashuggy wrote:

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@*pepe wrote:

probably create treatment programs that the addicts won't ever bother to use to help themselves.

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The injecting room gets used doesn't it?

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that isn't a treatment program

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yes im wondering what sort of rehab treatment program treats the patient with the dog that bit them

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Methadone.

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that is not a rehab program

it is an alternative to using illegal heroin. it just holds them

more for society than the individual.. to get them off the streets doing illegal activities.. of course this is vicious cycle, its worse get clean from methadone, and boy have i seen the effects of it! and even though theyre on a meth program the desire to use heroin is still so strong, they'll still go out and score

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That is because there is no rehab program offered with methadone for the most part.  

For those with some rehab and a reducing dose of methadone there has been far greater success.  But you don't hear about that because ex addicts don't make the news for giving up and getting on with life.

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the people ive witnessed whom succeeded in beating the evils of hard drug use, concentrated on doing rehab. i am an example of that.

although what you say is possible, do you actually know of some people whom did it that way?

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I know some people who did it that way.  I have seen some very good methadone results when there has been a program not just a line up for the dose and see ya later.  I fail to see how anyone expects a good result at the fast stop methadone dispensing spots where you end up with dozens of addicts looking at each other wondering what to do with the day.  A decent program gets addicts into looking to the future after the addiction and formulating a plan of some sort to get there.  

The programs I observed taking that approach had greater success than live in rehabs which are ususally located in the sticks and keep people contained with a bunch of addicts.  They bear no resemeblance to the real world and most people I know used the rehab merry go round almost as a social life.  The best at the program were those who were most practiced at the program. 

I don't buy the idea that once an addict always an addict and I don't buy into the one drink/hit/toke equals an all is lost instant re-addiction (so let's all party hard and rehab again another day).

[nevynreally]

I choose to await posts from everyone else who posted in this thread on that question before posting my own response. 🙂